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I noticed a few things in the article that are stated as facts that really shouldn't be. All the refrences to Ramirez raping children, for example, aren't facts. They are speculations. They were never proven and he wasn't convicted for them. They should be changed in a way so that they are not presented as facts. (However, in all actuality they probably are true.)

Can we get some more current information on this guy, such as, say, psychiatric evaluations? --Orborde 06:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

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Night Stalker

I just want to say that this guy scared the #### out of millions of Californians for half a year. Since I was living in California at the time this article probably does have some minor NPOV problems. Please update the article as needed. --mav

Absolutely, lots of folks were having nightmares about coming home to meet "The Nightstalker"

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Ramirez's first known murder was of a 50-year old clown name Frank Toots. He was raped and stuffed in a trunk.

This needs a citation - I could find no mention of a "Frank Toots" associated with anybody named "Ramirez" on the Internet.[1] -mav 05:26, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The March 17 article says "1985 - Serial killer Richard Ramirez commits his first two murders", while the main article says "Ramirez committed his third known murder on March 17". Which one is it? -- Card 18:25, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Why is he listed under "Gay, #######, or Bisexual People" and yet, nothing is mentioned of this fact in the article? - good question, i've removed it until somebody can provide some examples of his bisexuality

Raping old women and sodomizing little boys isn't bisexuality?

- No, it's sexual abuse. Raping old women is certainly not bisexual. Furthermore, there is no evidence that this man had a strong attraction to both genders and/or persued relationships with men. It's very likely that he was sexually abused as a child and is trying to "even the score" through his own violent means. 67.174.31.228 03:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Copyright Infrigement 2 Disambig link to Richard Ramirez (musician) 3 A&E documentary 4 Source? 5 Picture of article 6 Doesn't make sense 7 Location of Murders. 8 Spelling

[edit] Copyright Infrigement

I believe portions of this page have been lifted from CourtTVs Crime Library website. Specifically, the Trial and conviction section contains sentences that are nearly identical to sentences from the Crime Library site. For example:

On August 3, 1988, the Los Angeles Times reported that jail employees had overheard a plan by Ramirez to shoot and kill the prosecutor with a gun that someone was going to smuggle to him in the courtroom. A metal detector was installed outside the courtroom and even the lawyers were searched.

is very similiar to the fourth paragraph on this page:

On August 3, the LA Times reported that jail employees had overheard a plan by Ramirez to shoot and kill the prosecutor with a gun that someone was going to slip him in the courtroom. A metal detector was installed outside the courtroom and even the lawyers were searched. Ramirez seemed surprised, and no gun was ever found.

Another example:

On August 14, the trial was interrupted because juror Ms. Phyllis Singletary did not arrive. That day she was found dead in her apartment. The jury was terrified; they could not help but wonder if Ramirez had somehow directed this event from inside his prison cell and if he might have something similar done to another of them. She had been shot and killed by her boyfriend, who later killed himself with the same weapon in a hotel. The alternate juror who replaced Singletary was so afraid she could not even walk to her place.

is similiar to the twenty-fourth paragraph on the same page:

Judge Tynan called them into court the next day and told them that Ms. Singletary had been shot by an abusive boyfriend. He assured them the incident was unrelated to the case. An alternate was chosen to replace her, although the woman was so overcome with fear she could not walk to her place. Yet more news was forthcoming. Ms. Singletary's boyfriend used the same weapon with which he'd killed her to commit suicide in a hotel. He left behind his written confession. They had been arguing over the Ramirez case and he had become enraged by her disapproval of Ramirez's lawyers.

There are other examples as well. Not all of them are as cut-and-dry as these, however, and I do not feel qualified to rewrite anything. 209.51.77.64 23:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I've rewritten the offending material the best I can, I hope that it's good enough. Dragoonmac - ^{If there was a problem yo I'll solve it} 00:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig link to Richard Ramirez (musician)

I've added a disambiguation link for the noise musician Richard Ramirez. I'm torn as to whether it should actually be there; on one hand, almost everyone searching for "Richard Ramirez" will be looking for the serial killer and not the musician, but on the other hand, for people who are searching for the musician, this is the best way to help them find the appropriate article without resorting to a rather cumbersome search. At any rate, there is the link; I leave it to concensus to determine if it should stay. MrBook 16:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A&E documentary

Since 04 October 2006 Youtube visitors are able to watch a documentary by A&E titled 'Biography. THE NIGHT STALKER RICHARD RAMIREZ' (part 1: [2]; for the other parts see the middle column). In it are various statements made that (somewhat) differ from the information given by Wikipedia:

- It wasn't untill his teen years that Ramirez began spending his nights at the cemetery. To escape from his abusive father as a younger child he simply clinged to his (overly) religious mother.

- Ramirez' uncle Mike (Miguel) was in fact a Green Beret who was heavily decorated (in the article it says 'claimed', which makes for the logical connotation).

- The woman he shot but whose keys ricocheted the bullet is not named Angela Barrio but Maria Hernandez (spelling might be incorrect). Also, he shot her inside her garage, not outside her condo.

- The rape and killing of children is nowhere mentioned in the documentary, and I don't recall reading anywhere that he was convicted for such a thing. Naturally, the chances aren't slim he did this; but it shouldn't be portrayed as fact.

- In the Wikipedia article there is mentioning of one Harold and Jean Wu. I pressume these people are William 'Bill' Doi (shot in the head, 3rd deadly victim) and his wife Lillian 'Lillie' Doi (invalid and raped, restrained with thumbcuffs). No Wu family named in the documentary.

- The same goes for Malvial (Malvia I found on another website, possibly the source) Keller and Blanche Wolfe. The documentary claims these two women were called Mabel 'Ma Bell' Doyle and Florence Long.

- The rape of a 6-year-old again is not mentioned.

- There is no mentioning here of Maxson (Max?) and Lela Kneiding whom he killed on the same night (20 July 1985) as Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, called Chitat and Sakima Assawahemin this article. No information given about their (alledged?) son.

- No mentioning in the documentary of the strange case of Christopher and Virginia Petersen.

- Again different names concerning Ammed Zia and Suu Kyi; in the documentary Allias and Sukina Abbawah (spelling might be wrong).

I hope someone can be of aid. There is alot of differing information.

[edit] Source?

The last link on the article, the supposed source for the ogre comment, is not working. I'll be removing this line until the source article link has been fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TrrpnFlyr (talk • contribs) 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Picture of article

Look at the picture of the Times article; the names of victims differ from those on Wikipedia. Something tells me we should go with what the Times has to say about it.

[edit] Doesn't make sense

"Ramirez then left the Los Angeles area, and on August 17, he shot to death a 66-year-old man in San Francisco, also shooting and beating his wife. The couple survived their wounds and the wife was able to identify her attacker as "The Walk-in Killer" from police sketches. Since "The Walk-in Killer" no longer fit the modus operandi of the attacker, the news media re-dubbed him the "Night Stalker"."

So he shot the guy to death, but the couple survived?

199.33.140.2 23:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Rivers

[edit] Location of Murders.

In this article it states that he murdered a couple in Northridge on August 8th. He actually murdered a couple in Diamond Bar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angelfan26 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Spelling

Does anyone have a source for spelling the subject's last name "Ramírez", with a diacritical over the "i"? While that may have been the correct spelling of the name of his ancestors, I can't find any definitive source for him using it, or for others using it to refer to him. If there are no such sources we should move the article back to "Richard Ramirez". -Will Beback · † · 21:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)