Talk:Rise Against
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The paragraph on the lead singers vocals is definetly NPOV
- the entire page is NPOV. It sounds like an add for Rise Against. I'd fix it but I don't know anything about the other than they suck (in my opinion)
- As much as I disagree with your opinion, I do agree that the entire page is POV. *puts a post-it note to my moniter about rewriting this page* --203.51.196.199 15:05, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know the band well enough to put a caption on the image stating who each member is? BadCRC 02:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- I found individual pictures and used them to label the main one. $cammer 20:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Vandalism
Someone should watch this page, there has been quite a bit of vandalism.... Kippkipp 22:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] July 4 vs. July 11
Someone keeps changing July 11, 2006 to July 4, 2006 as the release date for their new album The Sufferer and the Witness. I follow the news at any punk website very carefully and there has been no evidence that it's coming out on July 4th. The news at Punkbands.com claims that it will be out on July 11th. From now on, I would like a source for July 4th, so this edit war can end or just leave the article how it is. As I said on Talk:The Sufferer and the Witness. 65.222.216.15 21:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Did you see the link I provided? It was link to their MySpace page which I feel is a legitimate source. If that still is not enough for you, perhaps check out their official web site and watch the flash intro. [1] I know sites like punkbands.org and absolutepunk.net have said July 11th, but they are not an officiating source. 90% of the stuff they post on there are rumors. sharpdust 00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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- OK, then. Sorry, if I was harsh when I kept changing the date. 64.142.89.105 02:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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- You guys are silly. Look the album up on All Music Guide (which is owned by AEC Distribution) - www.allmusic.com - it says July 4th, as did all the magazine ads and wheat-paste posters all over big cities across the country. And that’s when I got mine.
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did rise against pay for this? most bands one of the categorys is criticisms.rise against is good but not perfect
[edit] Genres
Post-Grunge? No way dude.
Agreed :P
I Concur
[edit] They Are Punk Rock
They are Punk Rockers
I don't know much about punk rock, because I only listen to punk bands people have recommended me (Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat) but I'm sure they aren't punk. They MIGHT have been, but they sure as heck aren't punk anymore. I don't know if they were to begin with. Punk is characterized by the lyrics and a certain style of music, I think. All the punk I've heard has little to no melody, unclean vocals, and super distorted guitars. I'm not sure, because I only LISTEN to punk.
- They were punk/hardcore the first few years they were out. But since Siren Song they've come to fit more of a melodic hardcore category with punk influences...if that makes any sense. They throw in a punk song or two here and there.
They are not punk rock anymore, they are Post-Hardcore. They were originally punk and they are still influenced by it, but they are predominantly post-hardcore now.
--Have you read the lyrics? Siren Song was most definitely a punk rock album. And for you information people, hardcore is always punk. There is no such thing as hardcore that isn't punk rock as well. Hardcore punk, get it? Most of what is labelled hardcore these days is either metalcore, emocore, or some form of screamo. None of those bands are hardcore though. And The Sufferer and the Witness is still most definitely still hardcore punk. They are mellowing out a bit, which I guess just comes with getting older, and their sound is getting more polished and focused, as opposed to the usually gritty and chaotic sound of most hardcore punk, but the lyrics and the musical style still most definitely fit punk rock. Post-hardcore? They might be moving that way. But Rise Against is still political and left-wing enough to be labelled punk. I'd say about 70% of their lyrics reflect a general dissatisfaction with society, the government, and life at large. Still punk.
"All the punk I've heard has little to no melody, unclean vocals, and super distorted guitars."
Some, especially the more hardcore DIY stuff. Bands like The Unseen, Anti-Flag, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Against All Authority; those bands would fit that above definition. However, it is possible for a punk band to have melody and polish, just as long as they don't water down the lyrics, and not be considered posers or pop/punkers.
--Rise Against are punk rock as well as hardcore, but more specifically they should be classified as melodic hardcore. They pretty much have every characteristic of this genre; essentially they are a punk band that adds melody and somewhat complex lead guitar to their songs. - Razorhead, March 29 2007
[edit] Abridged "Survive"
The article says "An abridged version of "Survive" (the deep bass intro is not present) from The Sufferer and the Witness is featured on Smackdown vs. Raw 2007."
What deep bass intro are they talking about? I got a U.S. version of the CD from interpunk and I don't think it has a deep bass intro.
Hmm... The Sufferer and the Witness states that the song should last 3:40, while Rise Against's website lists the song at 4:51, so you seem to have the former, which most likely is the "abridged" version mentioned in this article. You used to be able to hear the deep bass intro during the intro animation on their site. xetrov_znt 07:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the song "Any Way you Want it" (their cover of a Journey song) is no longer listed on their album? Did they get in trouble or something? I think this may be worth putting on the article.
[edit] Trivia section
I removed a great deal of the trivia, mostly things that related to individual band members (and therefore would belong on their pages instead). However, it still feels too long. Does anyone else think that we should also remove the long list of every video game the band is featured in? - seinman 00:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sadly, it looks like that happened. I disagree with its removal. It definitely belongs in the article. - JNighthawk 13:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The entire trivia section has been deleted, i was going to add that while "swing life away" did attract many new fans to the band, Chris mcaughan (of the lawrence arms, sundowner etc) wrote it years before, and sold it in exchange for rent money. True story. (Chris is given credit on the inset of the punk goes acoustic album). anonymous man. 31 march 2007, 22:56 (GMT)
