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Contents 1 fc edit 2 Kilmarnock F. C. 3 Reversions 4 Thomas Burns 5 Bulmershe School 6 Wikiproject:Sheffield United 7 My user page 8 "American soccer player"/"American footballer" 9 Re: Emma Bunton's Downtown 10 Fair use rationale for Image:3LW.jpg 11 Gary Roberts 12 Image:Melissa_Theuriau_Zone_Interdite.jpg 13 WikiProject The Apprentice UK 14 WikiProject The Apprentice UK 15 MetsBot edit to User:Robwingfield 16 Emre Belözoğlu 17 Pointless Edits 18 Template_talk:Soccerbase#Removing name parameter

fc edit

Hi, I would like clarification concerning your AWB editing of the football (soccer) entries from, for example, {{fc|Example Team}} to [[Example Team F.C.|Example Team]]. According to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Templates the {{fc}} option is the correct one. → friedfish 16:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Templates such as {{fc}} and {{afc}} are not intended to be left inline, they should be substituted. I've left a note explaining usage at the page you mentioned. Robwingfield ^(talk) 17:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Kilmarnock F. C.

Couple of changes I have submitted, Rob.

Killies top league scorer William Culley not Gillies

Changed positions mentioned in article for Naismith and Invincibile.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LondonKillie (talk • contribs) 13:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Reversions

No problem! I have you on my watch list now. I generally do anon IP recent changes and if i see an anon IP editing a named user page, it is almost always vandalism! I keep my eye out. Keep up the good work! If you need help with anything, let me know. Chris Kreider 15:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thomas Burns

Hi - I've changed the Thomas Burns (vicar) redlink to Thomas Burns (New Zealand). Firstly it's inaccurate to call him a vicar (he was a rector), and secondly it doesn't really indicate what he's best remembered for - a bit like saying "Condoleezza Rice (pianist)" or "Terry Venables (scriptwriter)". Grutness...wha? 05:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Bulmershe School

You have just reverted the Bulmershe School article and removed all my edits including lots of helpful external links. The article as it now stands does not make any sense. It implies that the school is still a grammar school. There is no point whatsoever in including the breakdown of the ethnicity of the pupils. The page just looks a mess without the proper citations. Changes need to be discussed on the talk page. I will revert to my previous edit. I was trying to improve the article. As it stands it could well be a candidate for deletion again. Dahliarose

I've kept your edits to the external links, but readded the other content with full citations. The Kingfisher Table Tennis Club is irrelevant, and should have its own article if notable. The article could well be a future candidate for deletion, but as it was proven notable before (and now has full citations to prove), the nomination would fail. Can we discuss here or at Talk:The Bulmershe School before you remove the content in future? robwingfield ^«T•C» 16:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we need to continue this discussion on the Bulmershe discussion page. I will add some comments there in a minute. Dahliarose 17:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Sheffield United

My user page

Hi.. I saw you edit my user page. Please don't. -- Mattythewhite 15:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Quite a while ago now, but yes. I was just correcting your typos (which I see you've just reverted back in!)... and there's no WP policy against it... but if you'd rather I didn't, I'm happy to oblige. robwingfield ^«T•C» 16:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the reason I was so concerned was as my user page was mostly blank.. so I reverted it to my last version and was still so. I guess its okay for you to fix typos on my page.. I over reacted a little. -- Mattythewhite 19:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

"American soccer player"/"American footballer"

Just wondering if this change is standard policy now or something. I'm supportive of the change (NFL players are never called "footballers" so it's unambiguous and less awkward, in my eyes), but I have no idea whether I should begin applying it across the board, or what. Bill Oaf 14:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Emma Bunton's Downtown

Thanks! Actually, I meant to put it on "uncontroversial proposals", but I put it on "other proposals" accidentaly, but thanks anyway. :) Funk Junkie 16:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:3LW.jpg

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Fair use rationales added, template removed. robwingfield ^«T•C» 23:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Gary Roberts

I noticed you removed my move of Gary Roberts from Gary Roberts (ice hockey player) to Gary Roberts (hockey). Having looked at the article again, he definitely plays ice hockey, not hockey, so surely my move was correct...? robwingfield ^«T•C» 11:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for discussing, but no. To paraphrase Lenin, the purpose of dab'n is to dab'ate. And it should do that as tersely as possible. If "hockey" is sufficient to distinguish a contender for the title "Gary Roberts" from all the others, it is a successful dab'g sufx, and any elaboration on it would pervert the Dab'n mechanism, from its purpose as a navigational device, into some kind of substitute for the text of the article. The titles of books are primarily for marketing (George Washington: Hero of Independence) which can justify including some storytelling in them, but those of 'pedia articles are solely for identification. I'm not even looking at ice hockey and hockey, bcz i'm a native speaker of modern English, and i don't need a dictionary (let alone an encyclopedia, which is a poor substitute as a source of information on the usage of words) to tell me what matters here: saying "ice hockey" (since there are no air-, field-, or knock-hockey equipment, games, players, or teams around to be confused with the matter at hand) would provide no benefit, and would have a (small) direct cost and a large indirect one (contributing to the impression that terseness in dab sfxes is unnecessary or even undesirable).

(BTW, the dates in the other Gary Roberts titles are even worse, and having invested this much (away from my normal LoPbN-tree concerns) will probably get me to fix them as well, tho the correct approach is not in that case so immediately apparent: it will require reading the bios involved.)

Disambiguation work is necessary, and not a lot of fun. I appreciate your taking part in it!
--Jerzy•t 18:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, good points well made...! As far as the footballer articles are concerned, I used the year of birth as that seems to be an approach that's used in the same scenario for other footballers with the same name. Both players are English, so nationality can't be used, which is the other common attribute used to disambiguate players of the same sport of the same name... happy to hear any alternative suggestions you have, though! robwingfield ^«T•C» 19:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You are far from the first to resort to it, and i admit it's better than nothing. Are you a fan? Bcz a fan is likely to do a better job, other things being equal. Yeah re nat'ty; i'm used to being a bug abt, as far as LoPbN descriptions are concerned, nationality meaning passport, and all those people having British passports, but i think used English vs. Scottish as dab'g sfx's abt a wk ago. (And i once resorted to "(lefty)" and "(righty)" for two American pitchers!) I think the most cogent objection to dates is that (even tho they are good, compared to say team name, in not being subject to change) is that (especially when the careers overlap) they don't tell most users at a glance which one you want -- they may be no more helpful than middle name, hometown, or randomly assiging "(psi)" and "(upsilon)". And (full disclosure) in my personal case from hell, the boxers Davey Moore, i gave up and used dates (fl. dates, rather than birth); you'll see why, i think.

In this GR case, my first glance left me considering somehow using prominence (as i once did with a major and a minor leaguer, IIRC), but i'm at the very beginning of thinking abt it. Your ideas welcome, fan or no.
--Jerzy•t 21:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Here's what i see:

  '84: plays Left Wing; playing regularly since 2005; offered big money (big for pro soccer? dunno);

  '87: plays Defensive Midfielder; playing regularly since 2004 or 2005 (depending on which part of his article you consult)

  Very hard to find clear handles for them, at least with my poor knowledge of the sport's culture. At this point, unless you have more ideas, my suggestion is to leave it to fans, perhaps by just copying this discussion to the Dab's talk page & lk'g it from the two articles' talk pages.
  --Jerzy•t 04:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  

You'll never guess what i tripped over on my morning stroll: Hmm, another problem, or part of a solution? The problem, and whole solution.
--Jerzy•t 16:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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WikiProject The Apprentice UK

Hello, fellow The Apprentice UK fan! WikiProject The Apprentice is up and running, so if you are interested feel free to put your name here and start editing! Dalejenkins 17:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Apprentice UK

Hello, fellow The Apprentice UK fan! WikiProject The Apprentice is up and running, so if you are interested feel free to put your name here and start editing! Dalejenkins 17:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

MetsBot edit to User:Robwingfield

All contributions are strongly appreciated and encouraged, but your recent edit to the userpage of another user may be considered vandalism. Specifically, your edit to User:Robwingfield is unwelcome as it not only migrated userboxes, but damaged other content on the page. Please use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do, particularly to userpages. Thank you. robwingfield ^«T•C» 10:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the bug in my bot's code. I've fixed it now. —METS501 (talk) 15:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Emre Belözoğlu

While someone might be generally known by their first name in this country (many pop stars are, for example), as an encyclopædia we don't follow suit (it has a fanzine feel about it). His name is Emre Belözoğlu.

The en-rule, not the hyphen, is used to separate ranges of figures and dates.

You removed the reference to his agent rejecting the charge.

Sorry for the change of the references; I've transferred those over, but the name and the dashes are, I believe, in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. If you disagree, we could get a third opinion. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 20:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Pointless Edits

Well, those big gaps at the bottom of Reading players (about two lines of nothingness between squad templates and stubs) annoys me so I remove it. -- Mattythewhite 07:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Template_talk:Soccerbase#Removing name parameter

I was wondering if you could answer that last question I asked there. Thanks, Yonatan (contribs/talk) 18:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)