Talk:Roxelana
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[edit] Rename proposal
As per all sources I could find, her name was Anastasia. Besides, she was a Ruthenian rather than Polish lady, so "Lisovska" seems more appropriate. But these two things can be decided later and separately from the main issue, that this person is best known as Roxelana in English and the article should be called as such. I just post this here for now to solicit preliminary opinions, and I will post a proposal at WP:RM. Regards, --Irpen 05:03, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Agree. Roxelana is definitely the common name. Everyking 06:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- Aleksandra is a mistake. I think it's time to switch it to Roxelana. Sashazlv 03:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I see that nobody objects. Sashazlv 04:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Will post at WP:RM. Guys, please keep track of announcement boards at both RU and UA portals (two boards per each), there is a couple of similar discussions. Thanks! --Irpen 03:15, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rename official voting
This is a really weird case when a person is under the name that is less conventional, and an unconvential name includes an incorrect first name on top of it. Sashazlv & Irpen 04:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Move to Roxelana
- support. One of proposal's initiators. --Irpen 04:57, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
- support. Sashazlv 04:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Oppose (but only slightly, since I prefer the name of Roxolana. Halibutt 07:37, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
- I would not mind Roxolana. But do the google test and see that the world uses RoxElana for whatever reason. Please think it over. --Irpen 14:45, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 22:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Aleksandra?
Are there any serious English language sources, other than WP mirrors, which call her "Aleksandra"? If so, please bring them up here. Thanks! --Irpen 21:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
- No, probably not. At least, don't consider my last edit on this page as a standpoint in this matter; I added it only because I saw it in the categories - without reflecting upon it. If it is erroneous, it should, of course, be removed. /The Phoenix 14:27, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I removed it until someone finds some supporting info for this name. I don't mind having several names in the article of course. I removed it only because the name seems simply incorrect. --Irpen 15:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cultural resemblance
Newly added:
- Nowadays the figure of Roxelana is an important historical and social symbol regarding the issues of Ukrainian woman and international sex slavery.
Any refs, especially regarding sex slavery. I never heard about this connection which doesn't mean that there is none. --Irpen 19:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Reworded.
- Відносно цитування: неодноразово зустрічав образ Роксолани в журналістських матеріалах про наших б..., що працюють за кордоном. Це досить зрозуміло й за елементарною логікою. Навіть якби я й зберіг ці посилання, думаю, не варто розвивати цю тему для широкої міжнародної авдиторії. Хто розуміє - задовольниться тим, що вже вказано. Хто ні - нехай думає, що тема міжнародного секс-невільництва не так уже й повязана з сучасною Україною ;) Чи може, викинути зовсім цей блок? AlexPU
No one is saying that the problem of sex-slavery has no connection with Ukraine. I was just surprized that this problem is associated with Roxolana. Even if someone makes such a connection, her cultural legacy in Ukraine is mainly defined by Zagrebelny's book rather than by a more modern phenomenon of women being forced into prostitution. So, having this section with just this might mislead the reader into thinking that this is her most significant legacy. I would say, remove this in toto, if you ask me. A different option would be to write an expaned section on her cultural legacy, where this could be mentioned but not as the only or even the most significant thing she is remembered for. If anyone can write it, fine with me. --Irpen 07:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- OK, let us leave this passage only here waiting for its developing author. AlexPU 15:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] In fiction, Red Sonya was her sister
Red Sonya was her sister in the short story The Shadow of the Vulture by Robert E. howard. Enda80 14:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)Enda80
[edit] Ethno-religious origin
Although I have read some of the primary sources dealing with Roxelana, I have not read all of them. But from what I have read, both primary and secondary materials, the indications are that she was by origin a Ukrainian of the Orthodox Christian confession. I know of no evidence that she was Jewish and think this unlikely. Certainly, primary authorities, contemporaries like Michael the Lithuanian, who was probably a Ruthenian nobleman, would not have claimed her for their own were she Jewish. Therefore, until such evidence be brought forth, I think it best to delete reference in the article to any possible Jewish background. Mike Stoyik 22:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
