Talk:Royal Newfoundland Constabulary
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[edit] Sorry to say...
...But the claim that the RNC is older than the Texas Ranger Division is wrong. That's not of my saying: a very small research has led me to the History page of the official RNC Association website, where this idea is confirmed. The following excerpt from that page appears clear enough to close the issue safely in favor of the TRs, in my humble opinion: The Royal Newfoundland Constabulary (RNC) is the oldest police force in Canada, which has roots dating to 1729, and was reorganized in 1871 to become the Newfoundland Constabulary. This flagrantly contradicts the assertion made at the article. The banner of the Offical RNC website also states clearly: Est. 1871. You can claim otherwise, but the facts appear rather clear. Shauri Yes babe? 01:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, the Texas Rangers are older but before 1874 they were a semi-military organization and not a true police force [1]. As such the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary are the first police in North America to be organised on a modern civil police basis. Jcmurphy 02:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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- On the basis of that technical distinction, we could establish the following conclusions and reach an agreement as to the article's contents:
- the TRs are the oldest law enforcement agency in North America
- the RNC are the oldest police force and the second oldest law enforcement agency in North America
- Does that sound good enough to you, Jc? - Shauri Yes babe? 02:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
- On the basis of that technical distinction, we could establish the following conclusions and reach an agreement as to the article's contents:
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- Excellent, the wording of the article is accurate now. I love it when a debate reachs an amiable and historically correct conclusion. Shauri Yes babe? 15:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
- Hmmmm... according to article, the RNC became a civil police force in 1844, making it one year older than the NYPD, but still younger than the Boston Police Department and the Toronto Police Service. Also, the distinction between "semi-military" and civil police force is far from clear. The Mounties, for example, are a paramilitary in their organization, as were the RIC relative to the 1829 London Police. Robert Peel conceived the RIC along different lines because his London model wasn't suited for a colony, such as Ireland, Newfoundland, and Canada.Bobanny 16:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- Excellent, the wording of the article is accurate now. I love it when a debate reachs an amiable and historically correct conclusion. Shauri Yes babe? 15:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Numbers seem inflated
12,000 personell seems awfully large for a population the size of Newfoundland, especially when you consider that the majority of policing is done by the RCMP, not RNC. 12,000 would indicate that over 2% of the province's population are members of the RNC, which seems incredibly high. Perhaps some verification could be done on this statistic. The RCMP, which policies ALL of Canada (32 million) has only 16,000 members, after all.
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Remember that these numbers also include two cities in Labrador West, and also the two cities on the island of Newfoundland itself. The areas that the RNC have jurisdiction in on the island have 201,234 currently living there, and in Labrador they control three communities of Labrador city (population 7,744), Wabush (population 1,894) and Churchill Falls (population 645), as well the 71,700 square kilometres of surrounding wilderness area. If the numbers are inflated, it is not by much. Squadcar56 19:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
