Talk:Russian Air Force

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 11:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

• Russian Federation Air Force → Russian Air Force – To be in line with the names for other Russian military branches. --DmitryKo 15:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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• Support. And BTW, according to the Constitution, both official names and are treated equally (i.e. Russian Federationis not preferred in any way over Russia), even though some people seem to treat the former name as official and the latter as informal. --DmitryKo 15:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Support. Where it makes no ambiguities, the word "russian" covers both "soviet" and "russian" (including "of russian federation" and "of russian empire") terms. --jno 16:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Support: for reasons as per above. Tutmosis 04:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

• Support as above. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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.. the word "russian" covers both "soviet" and "russian" (including "of russian federation" and "of russian empire") terms. --jno 16:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

The established pattern is to use Soviet and Imperial Russian. --DmitryKo 19:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Where it makes no ambiguities --jno 08:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to have redirects from Soviet Air Force and alike articles to point here. --jno 13:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a distinct article dealing with the Soviet Air Force. As well, the Soviet Air Force is arguably not one and the same with the Russian Air Force: this is analogous to advocating for the redirect of Soviet Union to Russia. Thus, this should remain a separate article without the redirect as proposed. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 13:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Then it breaks the idea: Russian Empire, Soviet Union, and Russian Federation are successive, but different countries on the almost same land. What should the article "Russian Air Force" be about? IMHO, it must be either single page for all three entities or mere page with links to three different articles. --jno 13:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Just the same: the two air forces are as different as their parent territories and are significant enough to necessitate distinct articles. Compare with the United States Air Force/United States Army and the (predecessor) United States Army Air Forces ... which, in this case, are for the same political entity. The Soviet Air Force article should focus on historical content, including the Cold War, up to its dissolution (c. 1991) while the Russian Air Force article should concern the modern force. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 14:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

and where the Imperial Russia Air Force should go to? Well, either me or you just misunderstand the idea of such a renaming... AFAIU, the idea is to join all russian-related air force data to the single page. It's ok for me. Wanna have soviet apart from russian? It's ok either! But in latter case i'd like to have the three article: "Imerial Russia Air Force", "Soviet Air Force", and "Russian Federation Air Force", and possibly a stub "Russian Air Force" with just three links on. --jno 15:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's already Imperial Russian Air Force, so the topic of this move would round out your proposed triplet. And, I think, there is no difference between the Russian Federation Air Force and Russian Air Force (hence the move); after this move, the RFAF will redirect to RAF.

To clarify ambiguity, I think what you want is to have a disambiguation (DAB) page that perhaps lists all of the air forces for the Eurasian political entity in its various shapes ... say at Russian Air Force (disambiguation) or similar? Or are you suggesting that RAF be a DAB page? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

RAF is much more common for British Royal Air Force :-), hence I suggest the Russian Air Force (disambiguation) DAB page. --jno 08:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.