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Contents 1 Your recent edits on User:Walter Humala/USERNAME 2 Signpost updated for March 5th, 2007. 3 Age category 4 Thanks 5 Signpost updated for March 12th, 2007. 6 The Foundation for the Study of Cycles 7 Blocking of RayTomes 8 Math Maniac 9 Re NavFrame font-size 10 Unblocking of User:RayTomes 11 Signpost updated for March 20th, 2007. 12 Re: Information Science 13 WP Munich 14 Dismiss for watchlist-message 15 justify paragraphs only in articlespace 16 Re: Information science 17 Portal:Library and information science 18 Tables ugly again 19 Signpost updated for March 26th, 2007.

[edit] Your recent edits on User:Walter Humala/USERNAME

Hi Ruud, I'm wondering what's the purpose of your edits there. Please tell me, I also wanna figure out how to make that script works (it should make loggeduser's name show somewhere). Thanks! --– Emperor Walter Humala · ^{( shout! · sign? )} 00:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Nothing which has anything to do with this script in particular. The function addLoadEvent has been renamed to addOnloadHook. If you add the script to Special:Mypage/monobook.js it should display your name here. —Ruud 18:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Age category

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[edit] Thanks

Thank for you: addOnloadEvent --> addOnloadHook --Nguyễn Thế Phúc ^Talk 10:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The Foundation for the Study of Cycles

Hi Ruud. If you wish to delete the article The Foundation for the Study of Cycles it would be more appropriate to offer it up for discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion than to attempt a redirect. I have undone your revert and would welcome a discussion on this. As a matter of interest RayTomes has asked for assistance in this matter: Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates/Requests/February 2007/RayTomes, and I am acting as his advocate. Regards. SilkTork 17:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking of RayTomes

Hi again Ruud. It has just been brought to my attention that you have blocked RayTomes. Ray has asked for assistance Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates/Requests/February 2007/RayTomes, and I am acting as his advocate. Would you be able to give me your reasons for blocking him? His current actions are under my direction, and as such are not against consensus. SilkTork 18:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:SilkTork#User:RayTomes. —Ruud 00:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello SilkTork, I will unblock Ray Tomes on the the conditions that

• he will not recreate any previously deleted articles or categories (and that you will direct him to the proper channels such as WP:DRV if he disagrees with the deletion and suggest any rewrites to be made in user-space instead).
• you understand that being his advocate does not give you the right to singlehandedly override community consensus and therefore do not encourage him to, for example, recreate deleted articles and also revert your recreation of The Foundation for the Study of Cycles (there was no consensus to delete or merge the article, there clearly was a consensus not to keep the article as is. Again, if Ray or you disagree with this outcome of the previous deletion discussion it should be taken to WP:DRV.)

Cheers, —Ruud 22:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. as Ray already found out himself there already exists a more clearly named Category:Periodic phenomena so could you (if unblocked) encourage him to work with that category instead. —Ruud 22:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ruud. Thanks for getting back to me. Clearly there is a depth of feeling involved here, and matters will need to proceed with care. My recent advise to Ray Tomes is that we get The Foundation for the Study of Cycles and List of cycles through consensus before doing any more work on reviving the cycles category. As such you and I are in accord as to the best way to proceed.

• Just for the record - Ray Tomes has not, to my knowledge since applying for assistance, recreated any previously deleted articles. Nor am I aware at this moment of any intention of his to do so.
• Also for the record, there has been recent discussion on my talk page regarding my undiverting The Foundation for the Study of Cycles in which it is clear that is was I who did this, and that my understanding of the situation is that there was no consensus to delete the article.
• Also for the record, it was my suggestion that Ray Tomes recreate the cycle category. I'm not aware of policy to ban editors for having another go at creating an article or category deleted a year and a half ago. Time has passed. Things change. Articles and categories get resubmitted for deletion, and deleted articles get rewritten and sometimes survive and thrive. I may be wrong in that belief, and I would be grateful for you to directing me to the policy if I am. Perhaps I have been misled here. Ray Tomes has directed me to the discussion on deleting the category, and that took place on 28 September 2005, and four people voted to delete it [1]. Are there any other instances that I am not aware of? Has Ray Tomes attempted several times to create this category and I'm not aware of it? I'd like to be aware of the full facts. And it does seem that this topic arouses deep feelings. All information is valuable. Regards, SilkTork 04:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Math Maniac

This user has requested an unblock. As you are the blocking admin, I am asking your reasoning for the block. When you blocked the user, you simply gave the reason of "moron" which isn't an actual reason for blocking. May I ask why he was blocked? IrishGuy ^talk 23:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you look at his contributions you will see that they fit to the definition rather well: his contributions are not very useful, several are borderline-vandalism. I don't think he's unreformable though, but give the fact that he "contributes" only very occasionally this seemed like the quickest way to have him get to pay attention. —Ruud 00:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I've unblocked him. I saw no warnings, no attempt to tell him that what he was doing was wrong. I hardly think that "moron" is a proper reason to block someone. Metros232 12:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re NavFrame font-size

Hi Ruud,

Why did you revert my change?

It looked like something you'd overlooked when reverting yourself... or had you planned to send a bot to adjust all affected templates accordingly...?  Yours, David (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Which templates are "affected" and how should they be adjusted?

Any (and I guess all) templates using class="NavFrame"; especially, for example, templates using the {{Navigation}} family of templates (cf {{Navigational templates}}). Their use probably runs into the thousands. I imagine {{Hidden}} and related templates are similarly affected. The problem is that setting NavFrame's font-size at less than 95% means that the basic font-size for templates and anything else using the NavFrame-NavHead-NavContent combination becomes too small. What motivated you to make this fundamental change...?  David (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Consistency with table.navbox. I suspect that this change (unintentionally) caused the font-size of the navigational boxes' contents to fall blow 90%, it this correct?

Yes; I thought it was unlikely you'd intended this effect. However, assuming there are no others, it might not be so tricky to reapply the change; {{Navigation}}, for instance, uses <div class="NavFrame"...> ... <div class="NavHead"...> ... <div class="NavContent" style="...font-size:0.9em;...">, so all that would be needed in addition to the change in NavFrame font-size would be the removal of the font-size:0.9em style – at least, that's how it looks without experimentation. I guess it would be the same for the other templates in {{Navigational templates}} using NavFrame-NavHead-NavContent. {{Hidden}} (and {{Hidden begin}} and...), however, doesn't include a font-size setting within its code, so I suppose one would need to be inserted in order to compensate... Perhaps, then, making this NavFrame change might be more hassle than imagined; I haven't tried finding other uses of NavFrame that would need compensation. What do you think...?  Yours, David (talk) 06:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unblocking of User:RayTomes

Hi Ruud. Is Ray unblocked yet? SilkTork 16:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. My advise to Ray Tomes is on his talk pageUser_talk:RayTomes#Wikipedia:Association_of_Members.27_Advocates.2FRequests.2FFebruary_2007.2FRayTomes: "My suggestion now will be that we hold any action on the Category:Cycles until The Foundation for the Study of Cycles and List of cycles have both been through a discussion and survived. With support and credibility from consensus we will better able to proceed. SilkTork 18:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)" Clearly there is no provocation to disruption, instead there is a decision to go through consensus. Your refusal to unblock is becoming very contentious. Ray Tomes is not disruptive. Your initial decision to block him was unsound, and your continued refusal to unblock him is provocative. I would, at the very least, like to see you consult with another Admin about this as I suspect you've allowed personal feelings cloud your judgment. SilkTork 17:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: Information Science

Please see Portal:Library and information science.

[edit] WP Munich

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[edit] Dismiss for watchlist-message

Hi Ruud. Nice idea with the dismiss button for watchlist message. You might want to put a note in the JS comments that the cookie added only lasts until the user's browser is closed. When I first saw the code, I thought that it would result in never again seeing the watchlist message, but then I realized you weren't setting the "expires" value.

Also, there is no need to append "document.cookie" to the end of the new value. The cookie method on the document object is magical and a plain assignment results in just the one cookie being added and not in overwriting the values of all previous cookies. The way you're doing it works, since the values you're appending are just ignored because the browser only expects things like "path" and "expires" after the first semicolon, but it isn't doing anything to maintain the existing cookies. The Mozilla Developer Connection has a short summary (other browsers work the same way since this behavior is just a reimplementation of the original Netscape Navigator behavior). There is a fuller explanation at http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html. Mike Dillon 04:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] justify paragraphs only in articlespace

Thank you for your helpful suggestion at Wikipedia:Village pump. It works perfectly. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Information science

I think you're totally wrong, and if you look at many information science programs in the United States, they have similar symbols for their programs. I think you are doing wikipedia a disservice.

See for example UC Berkeley's School of Information: http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/

[edit] Portal:Library and information science

Hi Ruud Koot,

I appreciate your contributions to the LIS portal. As the portal is in the middle of featured portal candidacy, I've reverted some of your changes, while keeping at least one other. You can take up this discussion on the appropriate talk page. Please, in the future, consider not make significant changes to a peer reviewed and featured portal candidate with three votes of support without attempting discussion first. Cheers. Planetneutral ^talk 01:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I would accept offers of a more relevant image, since I have no particular affection for that one. I just can't find anything else more appropriate. Any ideas? Planetneutral ^talk 01:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tables ugly again

A table does not look right again. [2] (SEWilco 03:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

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