Talk:Samael

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Removed from the article as unverifiable (spectacularly fails the Google test — one hit for "sammael ansi artist", which no longer exists):

Sammael is the handle of an ANSI artist who was active in the scene from 1994 to 1999. He was a member of many high profile groups including Samsara, FiRE, CiA, Rile, and Anemia.

Uncle G 16:39, 2005 Jan 7 (UTC)

Many if not most ANSI artists are impossible to google as the web wasn't what it is today when the ANSI scene was alive. This link this linkshows much of his work:

Samael has veered very very very far from what would usually be labeled black metal. Progressive metal is a more accepted label, although the music is naturally unclassifiable.

I edited out some of the parts concerning Lucifer and a explanation of why Lucifer is not Samael, although informative, it seemed to be written in a way that a great deal about Lucifer and not Samael, who this article is about, so I cut some of it.Xuchilbara 00:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Xuchilbara I think this article could be more clearly written, as things are very unclear. That's the main problem I see. (Hijou)

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[edit] Fictional Samaels

"In the first game in the Silent Hill series, Dahlia Gillespie, an antagonist, refers to a symbol as being the "Mark of Samael", which led many players to believe that the entity, refered to in the third game as "The God", was actually Samael. This was disproved when, later in the series, it is revealed that the mark is actually the "Seal of Metatron", as well as the fact that the incarnation of "The God" in the first game resembles Baphomet, not Samael."

This is was this article has to say about the fiction Samael, yet the account of Samael in the Silent Hill Mosters article is different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Silent_Hill_monsters

"Samael - The Incubus harbored within Alessa Gillespie that acts as the destructive hand of God, killed by Harry in Silent Hill 1. It is speculated whether or not Samael exists, or is just a lie told to Harry by Dahlia so she could trick him into helping her. Why she believed telling him this would get him to help her is anyone's guess, since Harry does not appear to be heavily versed in religion and demonology. In any case, it appears Dahlia was in fact telling the truth, the mark that appears throughout Silent Hill is that of Samael's, NOT the mark of Metatron. The Mark of Samael is a triangle within a twin circle that is filled with symbols - the mark we see in the games - whilst Metatron is a series of interconnected circles and lines that bear no resemblance to the mark we actually see."

Which one of these is correct?

I don't know, but neither of them deserve that much space in the article. Snip:

...which led many players to believe that the entity, referred to in the third game as "The God", was actually Samael. This was disproved when, later in the series, it is revealed that the mark is actually the "Seal of Metatron", as well as the fact that the incarnation of "The God" in the first game resembles Baphomet, not Samael. However, in Silent Hill 3 there is mention that those who despised the Cult's deity identified it with a demon (Samael)so Samael could be considered an outside name given to the deity.

I hope this offends no one, but that's a full paragraph explaining the plot of a video game. --Mgreenbe 00:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

yep. And Metatron is said carries on a ceaseless battle with Samael. (and Alessa is using the seal of Metatron to kill "the god". So speculation on rather the incubus inside her is Samael remains.) 67.78.156.66 16:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

--RoninDH Some have stated that Samael means “venom of God” or “the blind god”. Despite that belief, the name “Samael” does not have anything to do with venom, poison or blindness. With its roots in Mesopotamia, the name is constructed of two parts--SAMA and EL, to form SAMA.EL. The term "Sama" equates with peace or harmony, while the term "El" notes divinity or the status of being a lord or god. This can be readily observed in the construction of angelic names such as Michael (MICHA.EL), Gabriel (GABRI.EL), etc. Of course, the word "angel" itself contains it (ANG.EL). Therefore SAMA.EL means "Lord of Peace", not Venom Of/To God.

First off, the opposers of the Order in Silent Hill were said to give demonic names to the God. Memo in SH3:

"There is no religion that has

remained unchanged from the

moment it was founded.

This one is no exception.

When this religion fell into the

hands of immigrants, it was deeply

influenced by their own original

Christian beliefs.

For example, the traditional

representatives of these primal

gods may be given the names and

descriptions of Christian angels.

Thus shared characteristics begin

to appear.

(There is also one rare example

of the chief deity, "Creator of

Paradise" or "Lord of Serpents

and Reeds", being dubbed with

a demon's name. Of course, this

was not done by believers, but

by their opponents.)"

Lastly, we have that Dahlia didn't even know that the seal of Metatron was beig used by Alessa at all.

Then as far as Venom of God is concerned, could you cite the source were Samael's name does not translate to 'venom of God'? Because you know, Samael, for being one of the serpents in the Garden of Eden, has a relation to venom. [1] "Lord of Peace" is just simply too farfetched, not too mention Samael is the angel partly to blame for the fall of mankind. he also charcged with impregnanting Eve with Cain in his serpent form.[2] And as you know Silent Hill is full of Kabbalah, so I would think they don't have the idea that he's "nice".

Xuchilbara 18:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ian Samael is a main character in the webcomic Errant Story. --Kestenvarn

"*In the game series Silent Hill, Samael is the demonic entity worshipped by the cult hidden in the town of Silent Hill, whose soul was ritually bound into the bodies of two sisters. His power is believed to be behind much of the series' supernatural happenings.

Those parts are entirely false. In fact I have no idea who the "two sisters" are or where that story came from, it isn't in game. Nor does the cult worship Samael, because their God is a female Solar diety. Xuchilbara 16:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)