Talk:Seán P. O'Malley

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Contents 1 Franciscan or Capuchin? 2 Cardinal-designate 3 Which John? 4 Seán P. O'Malley 5 citation as sex offender? 6 habit

[edit] Franciscan or Capuchin?

Is O'Malley a Franciscan priest? I thought he was Capuchin. 63.202.80.51 (talk • contribs)

Capuchins are "the chief and only permanent offshoot of the Franciscans." All Capuchins are Franciscans, but not all Franciscans are Capuchin; Capuchins are a part of the Franciscans order. So he's both. Neutrality^talk 22:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thus, regular Franciscans sign their name with "O.F.M.", while Franciscan Capuchins use "O.F.M., Cap." and Franciscan Conventuals use "O.F.M., Conv." The nuns have a variety of other initials. If you get confused, just remember that the Capuchins are the ones with the silly hats. Lawrence King 05:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cardinal-designate

His Eminence Cardinal-designate Sean P. O'Malley OFM Cap. is his official name untill he's offcially Cardinal. If you do your homework you would know this. It says so on the THe Piliot the offcial Catholic Newspaper for the Archdiocese of Boston. Americas oldest CAtholic Newspaper.

Sorry, but a title Cardinal-designate doesn't exist. Even if the Pilot makes use of it. Gugganij 16:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Exuse me this is his offcial name untill named Cardinal. Pay attention!! Please go the offcial site of the Archdiosese of Boston. Read!! www.rcab.org It says Cardinal-Designate. People just say what they want and claim what they want but have no evidence to back it up. Like you!!-User:Gugganij

I humbly disagree. Cardinal-designate might be a polite way to adress him till the public presentation of the "biglietto", but it is not an official title. In contrary to, for example, a bishop coadjutor or a president-elect, he has no legal claim to be created. The pope can, at any time, decicde NOT to create him a cardinal. Gugganij 13:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S.:[1] still refers to him as "Most Revernd".

P.P.S.:Have a look at [2] and go to section "THE CONSISTORY: Numero Uno". Well, it's just a blog, but the guy is a correspondent of The Tablet - therefore, not the worst source. Gugganij 13:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No evidence to support you claim. This is his offcial title. Where is your evidence???? Maybee you should send an E-mail to Archdioses your self and see....

Well, what evidence do you need? [3] refers to him as "Most Reverend" (no eminence, no cardinal-designate), and the Vatican does the same in the case of archbishop Levada [4]. Gugganij 21:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I think someone here does not have eyes to read. Go to the offcial Archdioses website. http://www.rcab.org/Pilot/2006/ps060310/O'MalleyHomily.html It dominatly says Cardinal-Designate. What you may have been reading might have been outdated. If you read for once you will probally now the truth. It say says Cardinal-Designate.

As I told you before, in his biography [5] at the archdiocese's webpage, he is not referred to as Cardinal-designate. The bulletin of the Vatican mentioned above is from March 3, 2006 - obviously not outdated. I don't doubt that the article you mentioned above refer to him as Cardinal-Designate, but that doesn't make it an official title (I guess it's just courtesy). Please show me any official Vatican document introducing or using the title "Cardinal-designate". By the way, just to remind you, they are making the rules and not the Pilot. Gugganij 13:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean: "By the way they make the rules not the Piliot. Some people again don't have minds. Do you honestly think if the Piliot makes it own rules does what it wants, do think it would be in exsistence? The publisher of the Piliot is Sean O'Malley hiself. It's a Church aproved newspaper.

Also note that it says apointed Bishop of Boston in 2003 and does not mention him being raised to Cardinal. This shows this has not been updated.

Well, not exactely, since O'Malley is indeed not yet raised to Cardinal. This will happen during the consistory next week. Therefore the page is perfectly up to date.

Actually no! You misunderstood me! I meant he's going to be elevated to CArdinal. Not being or named Cardinal.

And again, just show me ANY official or semi-official Vatican document introducing "Cardinal-designate" as a title. The policy is clear: The Vatican doesn't use it, and even the archdiocese of Boston doesn't use it in formal statements (have a look at Statement Of the Massachusetts Catholic Conference On Behalf Of Archbishop Seán P. O’malley (Boston), .... The Pilot is free, like you and me, to address O'Malley as Cardinal-designate out of courtesy, but that doesn't make it an official title. Well, anyway, in a few days, our argument will be over. Gugganij 08:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Due to some ignorance let's just use his secular name. We unfortunately have to do this because of ignorance here.

Poor Gugganij; did you not like me suggesting that you and your 'friends' should 'GET A LIFE'? Otherwise why would you have deleted my suggestion? Surely you believe in freedom of expression? Why would you not want all the others who avidly read this to know that there are some people who believe that the form of address which one uses for a member of the College of Cardinals is not - in the overall scheme of things - terribly important. So I suggest that you really do GET A LIFE!

Well, the whole purpose of Wikipedia is to give proper information to its readers. I don't care how Cardinal O'Malley is addressed by people meeting him personally, but it's certainly within the scope of this article to provide this information accurately. I agree that this question is not extremely imporant, but please don't deprive me of the fun of arguing. Concerning your previous comment, I would like to refer you to WP:NPA. Gugganij 10:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which John?

Which St. John did he take his name in honor of? John the Baptist or John the Apostle, I assume. TimBentley (talk) 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was John the Evanglist. Travelbird, where are you getting John the Apostle? Briancua 04:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seán P. O'Malley

I took the liberty to correct the article title because this is how his name is most often cited in his own archdiocese newspaper The Pilot. Beemish 23:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] citation as sex offender?

This article names Cardinal O'Malley as "sex offender of the year" and that he is "proud" of this award. Is there any documentation for this? Who "gave" this award? Are there lawsuits against the cardinal? If there is no documentation, this would seem defamatory and unfair to level a very serious charge without ANY citation of any kind.DaveTroy 17:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] habit

Just a side note, the Cardinal does not have a monastic habit, as he is not a monk. The OFM Caps are religious, but not monastic. Benedictines would have monastic habits for example.DaveTroy 17:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)