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Contents 1 Reason for divorce? 2 Filmography 3 Conflict 4 False Quotes 5 Paparazzi material 6 Paparazzi material, my take on it. 7 Where's the beef? 8 Of Italian descent 9 What is this Sean Penn article, anyway? 10 Removal from career section 11 Height? 12 Notable Films 13 Katrina 14 Ancestry

[edit] Reason for divorce?

Didn't Madonna divorce Penn alleging spousal abuse? If so, I think it should be mentioned in the article. —Frecklefoot 16:09, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• Not sure about this, but I do think something about his relationship with Madonna should be mentioned. —Ohyeahmormons 13

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[edit] Filmography

Anyone care to trim the filmography down to "Notable Movies" or "Selected Filmography"? The list is a bit longish and is just duplicated on the IMDb. —Frecklefoot 16:09, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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>>>Critics pointed out that despite being a champion of liberal causes, Penn was driving a older, less fuel-efficient model of his vehicle, and his gun ownership suggests a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which has come under liberal scrutiny.<<<

This is not NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The lorax (talk • contribs). 23:37, 1 March 2004

Well, it's at least weasel terms. --ESP 01:25, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Instead of just slapping an NPOV header on this, why not work at making it better? RickK 02:36, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I slimmed down the paragraph about the gun incident. I'm going to pull the NPOV statement, and it can be put back in if someone finds a problem with it. --ESP 23:02, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict

I believe there's a conflict in the date sean penn received the "best actor" award. under his picture written he received it in 2004 but if you enter that link under the pic: Best Actor, you can see he won it in 2003. what's the right year? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.178.125.174 (talk • contribs). 20:54, 28 August 2005

[edit] False Quotes

In the Quotes section, someone put in ""Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. " -- Sean Penn after visting Iraq". This is not a real quote but is a line from the movie Team America so it should be deleted or noted.Unklelemmy 00:18, 7 September 2005 (UTC)unklelemmy

[edit] Paparazzi material

Do those shots of him boating really contribute to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.158.96.47 (talk • contribs). 18:06, 8 September 2005

I agree. Both the pictures and to a lesser degree the wording do not add anything to the article. They appear more as an attack on him then information.--Unklelemmy 21:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

The information appears to be true (see link below,) but that seems more like Wikinews material, if anything. On the other hand, tons of articles on celebrities are filled with this sort of personal life nonsense. I saw some footage on TV of him wading around - he wasn't wearing the flak jacket the whole time. With the number of shootings, it seems perfectly reasonable attire. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=59983 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.158.96.47 (talk • contribs). 04:42, 9 September 2005

[edit] Paparazzi material, my take on it.

This is my first time posting here, and I am going to charge ahead like a bull in a china shop to include the following: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA12843661125997597A0?source=PA%20Feed&ct=5 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.129.60.48 (talk • contribs). 19:14, 9 September 2005

[edit] Where's the beef?

I see that it's claimed that he rescued 40 people, but I haven't seen a link to any reliable source that confirms that. Here's another view of his rescue effort that points out (among other things) that he loaded his boat down with an entourage that included his personal photographer. Of course, if you're going to rescue people, it's always important to have someone around to photograph the event I guess: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16494464%5E1702,00.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.96.168.119 (talk • contribs). 19:16, 12 September 2005

I'm also sceptical of the pro-Sean claims. Andjam 02:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Many of the edits to the page that were deleted due to NPOV "vandalism" were simply factual corrections to what was essentially already an unbalanced entry. In the future, please refrain from deleting additions to articles that present a more balanced picture, as opposed to wildly unsubstantiated claims of Superman like rescues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.251.97.180 (talk • contribs). 06:46, 4 November 2005

I'd hardly call a Rupert Murdoch owned paper a solid source. Every anti-Penn story in the Katrina aftermath originated from one of Murdoch's papers. Do the research. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Googuse (talk • contribs). 05:11, 29 October 2005

"Although Penn was praised for his rescue efforts, he was also criticized for bringing along a cameraman and Rolling Stone magazine reporter Matt Taibbi to document the event". This has been shown several times in the months since Katrina to be untrue -- mere sneering from the conservative media and bloggers. (They also claimed his boat had sunk.) FWIW, take a look at "Citizen Penn" by John Lahr in The New Yorker, 3 April 2006, p. 48-59. Good article, not special pleading for Penn, and I've never known Lahr (an excellent and experienced reporter) to have been taken for a ride. The best source I'm personally aware of for the number of people in whose rescues Penn was involved is James Carville. (A Democrat, of course, which will automatically disqualify him to many as a source, I'm sure.) By the way: Why don't all you people register, and then sign your posts? --Michael K. Smith 16:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

All I saw of Penn during Katrina doing a publicity stunt and his boat sinking.

[edit] Of Italian descent

It was interesting to come to this page and learn he's partly of Italian descent. I recall back in the 1980s, Madonna said that if she squinted her eyes he bore a slight resemblance to her father (Silvio Ciccone). I now see why. -- Andrew Parodi 13:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

This shouldn't be a huge part of the article like it is. If you look at it, He is less than or just about a quarter Italian. His mother is half Italian, half Irish, his father was Lithuanian, Russian and Spanish. That would make Penn only a quarter or less Italian. Thank God. -Izzo

[edit] What is this Sean Penn article, anyway?

Is he an actor, or a politician? --67.189.188.122 16:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I think he sees himself as both. He might find it difficult to run for office though, considering all the terrible things he has done to others in his private life.

[edit] Removal from career section

"One of his competitors for that Oscar was Bill Murray who was so clearly devastated that he did not win for his performance in Lost in Translation that the presenter also asked the audience to clap for Murray."

This just isn't relevant to his career. Maybe put it under a trivia section??

[edit] Height?

Do we really need verifiable sources for little things such as a person's height? -WarthogDemon 04:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely, all information should be as accurate as possible and verified with a reference, someone could put in that he's 6'. If a reliable source isn't found soon I'd be inclined to remove the height information. --Bansal 16:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I just wasn't sure as height can change (like with young actors) so it could possibly be hard to track (as far as I know.) Thanks for clarifying. -WarthogDemon 18:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Films

Any reason why his role in Mystic River, for which he won an Academy Award for Best Actor, isn't considered "notable"? -- GregChant 03:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Katrina

There was also much derision locally (New Orleans) about Penn's much ballyhooed rescue attempt. 1st it is well noted that he and his publicity entourage, film crew and photographers, overloaded the small boat that he was in. The observers cleaimed that the "rescues" were actually walk to the high ground in ankle deep water from across the street type. Meanwhile the governor of Louisiana did not allow over 200 experienced boat handlers access to rescue those who were actually stranded in high water. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.207.229.34 (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ancestry

About Sean's father, Leo, his parents were Spanish. They were of Russian and Lithuanian descent, but none the less they were born and raised in Spain. In turn, Leo was fluent in Spanish. My family is Mexican of German descent, but we consider ourselves Mexican, even if we still carry our German surname, Hirsch. I just think that we should concentrate more on his Spanish roots on his father's side if anything.

You know, the professional asshole is vandalism, but... I'll leave it there. 72.66.78.170 02:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)