Talk:Second Battle of Bull Run
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An event mentioned in this article is an August 30 selected anniversary.
I'll be working on this page - any help most appreciated.
bob
--- The description of the actual battle (summary) is pretty well done - depending on how much detail is actually needed - some background and description of events leading up to the battle should be added.
bob --- I could write an order of battle if you'd like, but it would be huge... maybe just down to brigade sizes, if you want?
ugen64 you can also put a map on this thing stupid it would help student that are trying to find info on the second battle of bull run .and important info also smart one........
A nice touch might be to include the famous <nameless> regimental historian's summary of Pope's defeat: "<Pope>...had been kicked, cuffed, hustled about, knocked down, run over and trodden upon as rarely happens in the history of war. His communications had been cut; his headquarters pillaged; a corps had marched into his rear and had encamped with ease upon the railroad by which he received his supplies; he had been beaten or foiled in every attempt he made to 'bag' those defiant intruders; and in the end he was glad to find a refuge in the entrenchments of Washington, from which he had sallied forth, six weeks before, breathing out threatenings and slaughter." See http://www.vectorsite.net/twcw_26.html for an online citation.
[edit] Name
The battle is called both Second Battle of Bull Run and the Second Battle of Manassas, but the first appears to be more widely known and used. Please don't move the page without discussion. Jonathunder 04:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jackson late and ineffective
Stonewall Jackson's lengthy quote about his stalwart actions on the third day of the battle are in contradiction with J. Hennessy's thorough history of the battle, Return to Bull Run: the Campaign and Battle of Second Manassas. According to Hennessy, Jackson was uncharacteristically unresponsive to Lee's order to attack Pope's retreating Yankees that day. Longstreet was indeed very effective in destroying Pope's left flank, but Jackson's tardiness robbed Lee of what he wanted most, total destruction of Pope's army.
From Hennessy: "That it took two hours for the Confederate units north of the turnpike, most of them Jackson's, to move forward stands as one of the most significant Confederate failures on the field of Manassas. The delay greatly reduced the value of Jackson's advance. What an hour before might have been a movement that changed decisively the magnitude of the Confederate victory now amounted to a glancing blow against Yankee troops already headed rearward." (427)
--The failure lies mainly with Lee. His lack of action on the 29th and the morning of the 30th in ordering Longstreet to attack is to blame. If Lee had ordered the attack sooner, before Reynolds showed up on the left flank, we most certainly would have captured Henry House Hill and been able to sweep the turnpike and approaches to Stone Bridge.
I'm new here, so I'll leave the editions to someone who knows what he's (or she's) doing.
--Dansato 23:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I do not think this is a particularly well-written article and I have it on my to do list for refurbishment, but it is not high in priority sequence, so I would encourage you to make bold changes in the meantime. I would be happy to assist you in making sure that the editing/formatting is done correctly after you have taken your best shot. Welcome aboard. Hal Jespersen 00:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What is with the naming convention in Wikipedia?
Gents: I hate to break the bad news, but if/when anyone cares to drive down to my homestate of Virginia, you will not see the words "Battle of Bull Run" on any sign, pamphlet, literature, highway marker, tourist center, or anything else except perhaps in some war records in the Library of Congress or in some history books collecting dust on the shelves of Harvard. Here in Virginia these were the Battles of Manassas, and ALL ... that is every single sign and tourist literature for miles in all directions only refers to this sacred battle ground site by it's Virginia names. Please, for the love of God, give deference to the right of a State to choose to call it's battlefields what it will. We, here in Virginia, do not take it upon ourselves to go into Maryland or Kentucky or New York City or Pennsylvania and name their battlefields for them. Therefore please respect the Host of the Civil War, Virginia, in her God-given right to remember her history as she sees fit. These were the Battles of Manassas. Please change the titles of these pages accordingly.
In honor of Col. JS Mosby, I return as the Grayghost01 05:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
