Talk:Selby
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[edit] External links
The existing structure of the Selby page has been with us since 2004 and wasn't so bad in its day but the quality of other geographical wiki pages has improved by leaps and bounds since then, leaving Selby's looking a little tired.
One consequence of this is that there seems to be a tit-for-tat battle raging over external links. Wikipedia is not a link farm and therefore it is quite right to remove links that are not directly referenced in the main article. So adding sites to "external links" purely because they happen to be located in Selby (e.g. school websites etc) isn't really on unless the main article has relied on some information contained within that website.
Personally, I'm all in favour of including the "Alternative guide to Selby" link, not least for its wry look at Selby's rather tatty image of recent years, which can be contrasted with the developments which are rapidly transforming the area. I think this aspect of it can be worked into the "Modern Selby" section of the article. People who want other links to be incorporated should look at similar ways to make them relevant to the main article. --Archstanton 03:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Restructure (2004)
Good to see so much new material on Selby. Article could do with restructuring, in my opinion, with perhaps a slight trim of the useful and informative (but slightly waffly) mining material. Hence why I felt the need to start a talk page to try to achieve some kind of consensus on this.--TylerD 15:12, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Could do with material on the future of Selby, plans for regeneration etc, as well as recent developments in nightlife etc. Also suggest that it would be worth mentioning the Cambleforth murders, as these had a major impact on the town and made national headlines during the manhunt. Obviously details need to be kept to the bare minimum for legal reasons as court proceedings are still active.--TylerD 15:16, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Comment added about the Selby constituency. 62.252.224.17 08:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Page could do with a complete revamp to be honest, with a contents bar and multiple sections plus relevant links. Will also add a link to the Mark Hobson case, as it was the biggest news story to affect Selby in years. --Tyler 21:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Spamming
We seem to have been plagued recently by people adding links to non-notable sites operated by themselves. This is regarded as spamming on Wikipedia. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_not_be_linked_to for more details. Thanks. --Archstanton 22:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Is the Selby News link classed as spamming? Just wanting a second opinion, thats all. --Tom 20:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- No, links to notable established sites with a bona fide connection to the article are generally acceptable, especially if they are quoted in the article text. What are not considered acceptable are personal sites which have been added by their owner or their associates, especially when they have hardly any content and consist mostly of lists of links to other sites or adverts. The ones that were removed were of this nature. People do this to boost their Google ranking and use Wikipedia's prestige to make their site seem more important than it is. But Wikipedia is not a "link farm" and this is becoming a growing problem. --Archstanton 08:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Industry and economy
Anyone fancy having a bash at updating and expanding this section? There's a lot of development work going on at the riverside, Three Lakes and Barlby/Osgodby and the new science park being built should encourage an influx of professionals. Maybe move the Selby by-pass bit to this section too? --Archstanton 17:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hobson Murders
Does this deserve a place in this article? It seems only vaguley connected with Selby (could equally go in the Strensall or York articles surely?) and hardly counts as information on the history of the town. --Jmptdc 11:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Of course it does. Hobson had direct links with Selby (he grew up in Selby, was educated in Selby, lived most of his adult life in Selby, worked in Selby in numerous occupations (up until losing his last job, after which he claimed his benefits in Selby, had previous convictions for violence in Selby, his ex-partner and her sister (the first two victims) were from Selby, Camblesforth (scene of the first two murders) is part of the District of Selby, it was the talk of the town during the murder hunt and was the most significant news story to affect the area in years. It's hard to see how it could not be linked to Selby. Also, the role of Wikipedia isn't simply to produce rosy tourist guide potted histories of towns, anything that has some kind of connection should be included, warts and all --Tyler 16:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Drax protests
I propose that we add something about the recent highly-publicised (and failed) attempt to "shut down" nearby Drax power station (the camp was adjacent to Barlow Nsture Reserve, inside the Selby district) and its aftermath. With this being the third "news event" type of entry into the article, it may be time to reorganise this section. --Archstanton 14:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, the Development section looks really good, maybe it would be an idea to combine the floods, rail crash, Hobson and Drax stories into some kind of "Selby in the news" or "recent history" or whatever section. --TheCenturion 17:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Development
I agree that the article would benefit from a development section, the part about the bypass looks very out of place. It also seems strange to have an entire section about the Town Hall - its not very significant and could maybe be rolled into some section about entertainment?
I have also made some slight amendments to some of the existing text. I have corrected some grammatical errors in the part about the Abbey and reworded the first paragraph surrounding the industry.
Let us know what you people think? Jedimasterdurex 21:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- Good work, I like the new development section. Have added a couple of links to the ESS within the body text. --TheCenturion 09:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou, its my first addition to the site of any significance so nice to see someone thinks its ok. Good work on the article, looks much better than it did a few months ago. I was tempted to trim the Town Hall part myself but didnt want to offend people - it was a bit daft! Jedimasterdurex 22:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sport section
Do we even need this section? Selby is a very small town and, with the greatest of respect to all involved, is not especially noted for its sporting achievements. The existence of such a section also seems to encourage amateur clubs and municipal publicity officers to treat the page as a repository for parish-pump PR material. --TheCenturion 13:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reorganisation
This is a fairly poorly structured article - the various sections (some of them largely superfluous as noted above) seem all to be bolted together, and the facts and figures scattered throughout the text don't seem to be bound together. A case of too many cooks and no chef to guide them? I'm new to Wikipedia but I'd like to have a proper go at the article - doesn't seem particularly active here, so I'll just assume that there are no particular toes that I'm going to step on. If anyone has any comments (not echoed above), then please let me know. Sleepylee 16:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- You go ahead, I'll keep an eye out and see if I have any suggestions as you go. Mdcollins1984 23:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
