Talk:Seven Years' War

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Contents 1 References, Links 2 Participants 3 Requested move 3.1 Voting 4 featured article status? 5 Hey there folks. 6 Indians? 7 Pomeranian War 8 Trivial War 9 Complete re-write 10 Dots on the map? 11 Move American content to French and Indian War page?

[edit] References, Links

this page includes a large amount of history, yet has only 1 reference and 3 links. I think this page needs more references and citations--pmoney 09:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Stormbay, why did you remove my references tag? the article obviously lacks sources - how do we know any of this information is accurate? where did it come from? sources are needed. I'm tagging it again. PMoney 06:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

One narrowly focussed source is mentioned in the entire article. This page amply deserves the unreferenced tag.Hughespj 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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Well, "Seven Years" is the name of the war. THat's how it was written at the time, no?

Anyway, the page says that france had "4 islands left" but it had the Louisiana purchase as well, didn't it? SpookyMulder 18:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

No; France sold it to Spain, which was under less pressure to make peace. Napoleon "persuaded" Spain to give it back in 1802, when he had plans in the New World. Septentrionalis 04:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It would be incorrect to claim that France had only four islands left. They still had French Guiana, in addition to several islands: Martinique, Guadeloupe, St Barthélemy, Saint Martin, Saint-Pierre, Miquelon, etc. Bastin8 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Participants

The infobox makes a gross simplification of the war. It leaves out some major combatants (e.g. Spain), vassals (e.g. Ireland), national monopolists (e.g. BEIC), and German states (e.g. Hesse-Kassel). Although, of course, it would be difficult to name all combatants, having smaller flags (or none at all) may go some way to persuading the reader that the list isn't as authoritative as it seems to be. Alternatively, as with WW1 and WW2, it could list the main countries, and link to an article detailing all combatant nations. Bastin8 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly how to do this, so you can move or even delete this if it's wrongly placed, but I noticed one small matter that may not even be a problem: Half of the artical's dates are written DD MM, then all of the sudden they change to MM DD, I'm not sure if it matters, just thought I'd mention it.

[edit] featured article status?

it would take a lot of work, but I would like to see this article reach featured article status. I would like to see this happen because I believe the majority of americans are unaware of the entire scope of this war. I know my personal american public education experience only covered the events involving the colonies. this war had far reaching consequences, and like the churchill quote suggests, is essentially the first world war. it can be argued that this war influenced and set many things in motion that have impacted the history of and formation of the modern western world. many americans are oblivious to this war outside of the american side of it. perhaps this goal is a bit ambitious considering the amount of information inluded in this article, but I would like to see it happen. PMoney 07:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there folks.

Hey everyone, I am User: J Dogg and I think this is a fantastic page. However, it could use some expanding. I would like to help. I wrote a 27 page research paper on the North American part of the War, French and Indian War for my Canadian History course (I am Canadian). I recieved a 97 % on the paper and have credible sources (Several books including a book less than one year old.) I expanded several sections about the North American part of the war. My sources are: 1. Empires at War: The struggle for North America by William H Fowler Jr. Published in Vancouver by Douglas & McIntyre Ltd. 2005. 2. With Wolfe to Quebec by Oliver Warner, published in Toronto by William Collins Sons * Company Ltd. 1972 3. History of Europe Since 1500 (revised edition) by Hayes and Coles. Published in New York by MacMillian Company. 1956

Also, the proper name of the War is the Seven Years' War, this name was the name that is used in all of the articles and books that I have encountered.

I also plan on expanding more of the North American aspects of the war in the near future. If anyone has any questions or comments/feedback, then please contact me at User talk: J Dogg J Dogg 21:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

[edit] Indians?

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the nine-year North American conflict or the Indian campaigns which lasted 15 years (including Pontiac's Rebellion), which are known as the French and Indian War.

Does "Indian campaigns" and "French and Indian War" refer to the conflict in India, or to the involvement of American Indians? This should be clarified.

Native Americans, see French and Indian War under "nomenclature". --Awiseman 21:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pomeranian War

The introduction states that this was also known as the Pomeranian War, but there is no more about this in the article. I'm assuming it was also called this because the Prussians and Russians largely fought in Pomerania, but if someone can clarify this point, I would appreciate it. --Raulpascal 16:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Pardon, I meant Sweden and Prussia, not Russia and Prussia. --Raulpascal 16:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivial War

If anyone cares, in this period, an army of 100 thousand would be accompanied by 40 thousand horses, which would need to graze 324ha pasture/day (meaning campaigning between October & May was next to impossible), & bread wagons would deliver up to 64km. See Dyer, War. Trekphiler 19:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Complete re-write

There is so much wrong with this article – this is one of the major wars of history.

Structurally and substantially, the article needs a complete overhaul eg; The section called ‘Start of the war’ consist of just two sentences.

Why is there a list of battles at the end of the article? Isn’t that what campaign boxes are for?

There’s no in-line citation and the references are very poor.

Would it be possible for someone ie: me, to completely re-write the article? Would anyone have any objections? Raymond Palmer 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

By all means, tear it apart. In its current form the article is appalling (Do people seriously believe that the Battle of the Monongahela was relevant to the European war in the slightest, and that George Washington's reputation is a more compelling subject of historical analysis than, say, the 1,000 men fallen in Braddock's ignominious defeat?). Albrecht 22:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Please please rewrite. As it stands, the article is a bit of a muddle. Just scanning it, it seems to put so much weight on the North American campaigns, as if the European theatre grew out of it. Let's have a well-constructed article with lots of good narrative and analysis! --Iacobus 01:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I got lost reading : "Prussia had the protection only of Great Britain, which was given because the ruling dynasty saw its ancestral Hanoverian possession as being threatened by France."

Courtesy of Gavla 05:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dots on the map?

What are the green dots on the map of Poland? It's in Polish. --AW 22:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move American content to French and Indian War page?

I think that part of the problem with this page is that it trys to span both sides of the Atlantic, while maintaining a separate page for the French and Indian War. Maintaining the large amount of American content on this page only slows down and distracts from the european part of the war. The two pages should certainly make reference to each other, but too much focus on american content may be part of what is distracting from conveying the european war. -Gomm 00:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)