Talk:Sheeple
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[edit] POV
This article perhaps deserves to exist for the purpose of defining a common term, but the content itself is atrocious. Rarely have I seen an article so far from a neutral POV, or so poorly written. It looks like some kid wrote a joke page on geocities and pasted it here.
Obvious issues:
a) As a political term it is not specific to Republicans. Just to insert a counterargument for why this is so, I would suggest that the anti-Bush crowd qualifies as sheeple if anyone does, as they endlessly repeat the same tired jokes, the same tired arguments, and essentially "do what everyone else is doing" while imagining themselves to be unique. That's my POV of course, and I don't suggest it belongs in the article, but it stands to reason that as that doesn't belong in the article, neither does a specifically anti-Republican POV. If either POV is expressed, it should be in context of "popular usage denotes it this way" and not as a statement of fact.
b) It is in fact used as a common derogatory term for religionists, especially Christians, a fact missing from the article. That's entirely neutral POV, since it is a common way the term is used. However, it should be stated that this is popular usage, not fact, i.e. "Popularly used to describe Christians" instead of "Christians are sheeple." See the first point above.
c) Content is far out of line with Wikipedia standards. "Sheeple are more hardcore sheople" is absurb phrasing and has no place in Wikipedia, just to use one example. Also the personal definition of "Shadow Walker" has no relevance to the definition by popular usage, and in fact it is entirely unclear why this person is named since they are not a notable figure and clearly did not coin the term.
I might personally work on this article after I get done with some of my other projects because I'd like it to remain, but in its present form it would be better off deleted entirely. This is an embarassment to Wikipedia. --Lvthn13 22:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I couldn't stand to look at this anymore so I cleaned it up. Feel free to add to it, but refrain from making POV statements or adding content not acceptable to Wikipedia standards. --Lvthn13 22:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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"It also rhymes with "steeple," and can be used as an attack against Christians, who often refer to themselves as "flocks." Jesus himself said 'I am the good shepherd'."
^ This is absolute hateful bigotry akin to "achtung Juden",please correct it.This kind of crap has no place in an encyclopedia or anywhere else.Come on people.
- That particular sentence, or the entire entry? Jesus also referred to himself as a "fisher of men", also giving the possible impression that his followers were easily reeled in. It's not hateful bigotry as so much as a tap on the shoulder to encourage people to think for themselves. How can you compare what is effectively calling a group of people closed-minded to a hateful threat of violence?
^ Well,encyclopedias should define and explain a word or topic without being biased to the point where the definition is singling out a specific group and calling for people to attack that group.I don't care what your views of Christianity are or how that is colored by your political views.If you disagreed politically say with Israel in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict does that mean that you would include the sentence:"Achtung Juden can be used as an attack against the Jews" in your definition of Judaism? Gosh,I hope not! Geez,be cool people.
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- I don't think the idea of Jesus reeling in his followers would hold much water. Jesus was a carpenter, and it's unlikely that a carpenter living in Palestine during the first century A.D. would know how to make use of advanced fishing equipment that hadn't been invented yet. :-D
- -Firestorm
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I've come across a reference - in a salon.com article, http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/28/kakutani/ - to the word having been coined by HL Mencken. It would be wonderful if this were true, but I've not found anything to back it up as yet. Anyone else? (Dougald, 2/10/05)
Bob Marley uses the term in his song, "Jah Live". It does not appear to be a disparaging term in the context of his song.
I thought the term was used to define everyone, not just Christians, who was not illuminati
[edit] Articles for Deletion debate
This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. Owen× ☎ 19:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cleaned up a bit
- I removed an external link to wordspy (why lik to an external article defining the term from an article defining the term?)
- I removed the link to a blog, as we don't normally link blogs unless there is a compelling reason directly related to the article content
- I alphasorted the "see also" links
- I added links to "herd mentality", which specifically mentions "sheeple"
- I removed the image and ref to Faux News], as it was POV (however strongly I might agree!)
Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 20:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Does this word really exsist?
I mean, who would use it? And who would name their Wiki username after it? Weird! Glen 09:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I searched for this article in order to understand its meaning as used on this page --> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/17062 so yes, it is used. Wrongfooting 09:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
