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Sikorsky is an American aircraft and helicopter manufacturer founded in 1923 by the Ukrainian born American Igor Sikorsky, the inventor of the first successful helicopter design, upon which the majority of subsequent helicopters were based (though he did not invent the helicopter itself)

this contradicts the Sikorsky bio page. (unsigned by unlogged user on May 13, 2005)

1 Ukrainian born Sikorsky
2 Apparent Copyvio
3 Winged-S
4 CH-53K S-number?
5 PZL Mielec

[edit] Ukrainian born Sikorsky

Sikorsky was born in Kiev (now Ukraine) then of Russian Empire. His father was a professor of Kiev University (then St. Vladimir University), a very much russified institution at that time. Nothing here makes him what article calls him "Ukrainian born" in my opinion. I could change this myself, but would like to make a point here, to see if there are objections. Irpen 04:59, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Back off with Russian imperialism, please. He was born in Ukraine and in Imperial Russia and in Kiev, and in Europe, and on the planet Earth. Some people think being born in Ukraine is a notable fact to be mentioned. mikka (t) 20:58, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

There is no Russian imperialism whatsoever in my views. You don't need to even to check my edit history for that since you've seen my edits for long time enough to give me at least a benefit of doubt when we happen to disagree.

Back to Sikorsky. Britannica article on him starts with: "Russian-born U.S. pioneer in aircraft design who is best known for his successful development of the helicopter...". Encyclopedia Americana article starts this way: "Sikorsky, Igor Ivanovich (1889-1972), Russian American aeronautical engineer who pioneered in the design of helicopters and multiengine airplanes. Born in Kiev, Ukraine (then a part of the Russian empire)". Columbia Encyclopedia is even more blunt: "American aeronautical engineer, b. Kiev, Russia. Encarta says: "... Russian-born American aeronautical engineer and manufacturer."

They can't possibly be all contaminated by deliberate Russian Imperialism, though the scholarship, in general, may. So, at least this is a fair issue to disagree. In my opinion, it would be correct to call a person born in Ukraine in the time when it was a part of Russian Empire "Ukrainian born" if the person had Ukrainian heritage or was raised in Ukrainian culture or relation to Ukraine in any way. Sikorsky's family, from what I see, did not particularly connect to Ukraine per se. At the time, Kiev was largely Russified as part of the Russia's policy of forced Russification of Ukraine. That's bad of course but this is not the reason why we should change Sikorsky's heritage to compensate for the injustices of the Russian Imperialism. Please note, I did not change the article. I just raised the question. There was no need to be so vigorous. All I suggest is to change "Ukrainian born" to something like Americana says: "Born in Kiev, Ukraine (then a part of the Russian empire)". Irpen 23:01, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

I ammended an article to reflect more closely the conventional interpretation of Igor Sikorsky's origin (see talk above). Maybe it could be said better. Please edit as you like. Irpen 06:01, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

As a retired employee and executive of Sikorsky Aircraft, and a close friend of the Sikorsky family, I can say with some authority that the Sikorsky family associates itself with a Russian ancestry, while admittedly proud also of the Ukrainian heritage. Igor, Jr., Sergei and the other members of Igor Sikorsky's immediate family always spoke specifically to their family's immigration from "Russia", in any conversations I have had with them. written by Nick Lappos nlappos@optonline.net

Dear Nick, thanks for your insights. Would you be interested in helping expanding this, and especially the Igor Sikorsky articles? Thanks again! --Irpen 03:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

In my last change I removed the Russian-American reverance (does anybody sees himself as a Russian-American anyhowe?) and instead wrote that but his parents where Russian. This should make everybody happy, if not: I don't want to understand! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mariah-Yulia (talk • contribs).

[edit] Apparent Copyvio

The text of this article appears to have been originally the same as that at http://sikorsky-aircraft-corporation.biography.ms/ . Who copied from whom? J S Ayer 00:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Since part of the text showing up on that external link was written by myself, I can authoritatively state that Wikipedia is not the offender. Their sin isn't in copying this article, it is in omitting attribution. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 00:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Winged-S

The winged-S logo deserves recognition.

[edit] CH-53K S-number?

The CH-53E is the S-80...what is the S-number for the CH-53K? It's an even more radical modification than the Super Stallion was...so I guess I am assuming the S-number is different. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 17:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)