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Contents 1 Needs a little more work 2 AMX-10RC and Tempest 3 Merging IFV and MICV 4 M-16S1 - Similar to the A1 or A2? 5 Largest in quantity 6 MBT 7 #### 8 Graphic of the Army Structure

[edit] Needs a little more work

I've copyedited the opening part of this article, but it needs a lot more from someone who understands the subject. sjorford →•← 09:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AMX-10RC and Tempest

I removed the AMX-10RC from the table since there are no sources about Singapore operating this variant. Also placed "Tempest (modernized Centurion MBT)" in the line about the Cents. Edward Sandstig 11:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging IFV and MICV

Merged the MICV and IFV section since they're the same thing. (MICV being the British term an IFV being the term used by most other countries) --Edward Sandstig 18:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] M-16S1 - Similar to the A1 or A2?

I've reverted the text to A1 - the M-16S1 does not have among other things, easily adjustable windage and elevation knobs, three-round burst, upper/lower handguards which the M-16A2 has. --Rifleman 82 01:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Largest in quantity

Regarding the sentence:

"... military force, the largest in quantity ... South-East Asia region."

In terms of active troops, Singapore actually has the smallest military among its immediate neighbours. If we include the reserve, things get abit fuzzy, like: are there 3 divs, or 6 divs etc (note that some units are never mobilised and exist on paper only), should we include paramilitary of Malaysia and Indonesian etc. It is not entirely clear.--Vsion 17:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MBT

Is there a reference for the information of "Tempest (modernized Centurion MBTs)" found in the table, both for the quantity as well as the name of "Tempest". Thanks. --Vsion 00:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Only references I've seen have been messageboard posting and a few personal websites. The official Singapore Army website makes no mention of it, but some people have claimed this has to do with OPSEC. I'm of the impression that either the claim of OPSEC is true, or the Singaporean Ministry of Defence has already withdrawn their Centurions from service. If someone could post a reliable source on this that'd be great, but if the existence of those Centurions is supposed to be classified, then let's just remove the line about the "Tempest" from the article. --Edward Sandstig 09:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can remember, SAF never had any MBTs commissioned or operational. --Vsion 13:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ####

(1) The number of Centurions should be 60, as this is often cited. Although this is fuzzy territory, as the figure varies, with some sources citing the higher figure of 80-100. However, the dominant one is 60 centurions.
(2) The number of 105mm arty guns (60) is exaggerated. More commonly seen figure for LG1 is 40+. I know there is no official figures for all these, but then we should stick to what is commonly cited by foreign publications.
(3) The figures for Primus as well as Pegasus (cited as 54) is the target figure, not present operational strength. Since they are both new, there should be one battalion each, yielding a figure of 18 for each weapon.
(4) The figure for Bionix total (excluding Bionix II) should be 500 instead of 600. And the claim of 100 Bionix II is unlikely to be true, as this is new equipment. Most probably one battalion active. And not all will be 30 mm cannon-armed, as the structure is one 40/50 Bx for every Cannon-armed Bx.
(5) Having said all these, it must be pointed out that it is highly probable that Singapore has more weapons of certain types than is reported by sources like Janes'. Daniel Ehud 15:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic of the Army Structure

I'm currently working on a project to create graphics of the structure of the most important Armies. i.e. France. I want to make also a graphic of the structure of the Singapore Army, but the information at this point is not sufficient, as there is no information what units compose the single divisions, brigades and Regiments. Does anyone have this information- down to the Battalion and Company levels? Thanks noclador