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[edit] Sirhan SirhanSirhan Sirhan-first off the article needs a picture. Also, more about Sirhan's life would help the article, also more of a background on the RFK assasination or a separate article altogether. A bit confusing, more about the assasination than the man himself, I guess is what I am saying. Reqphoto tag has been added. RJFJR 22:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC) Is there a conspiracy theory that he didn't do it? Would that belong at Sirhan Sirhan, the Robert F. Kennedy article or at some article about the assassination and consiracy theory? RJFJR 22:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC) Added to User:Flcelloguy/Desk RJFJR 22:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Stronger References
Has it occured to anybody to actually view and listen to the actual photos, documents and recordings and put that information here on the Sirhan page instead of citing third parties? The only place that cites the original source is on the Robert F. Kennedy assassination page, and the significance of that is downplayed by too much. Too many armchair sleuths trying to solve a 39 year crime without looking at the real documents. For a small boost, examine Los Angeles Police Dept. Records and visit the Online Archive of California 204.147.113.35 23:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV
Did my damndest to clean up the POV mess in this article... --Fluppy 11:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
An event mentioned in this article is a
SBS should never get parole, in fact he should only be allowed parole when RFK is given his life back!
Meself, I feel sorry for SBS, since he was obviously Manchurianed. According to the ballistic evidence, he killed.
Can we have sources for the ballistics claims, please? Police report? Sirhan's statements? Other? (UTC) Deputy District Attorney John Howard, who had interrogated Sirhan two hours after the crime and stayed with the case all along, opened up with this stunning testimony: “The gun was an eight-shot revolver and there were six casings inside, which indicated that there had been six bullets fireda total of eleven ) bullet holes were found to be in the walls and people Of course a single bullet can make multiple holes. The LAPD claimed to know how eight bullets did it all but then the DDA testified to six shells. Also note that coroner Noguchi refuses to say SBS killed RFK, because SBS was never close enough to leave powder burns and couldn't cause the wounds found from where he was. Somewhere there's mention that the intact slug from RFK didn't match SBS' gun and was never tested against the others in the room. Anyhow, it seems the LAPD was even worse handling RFK evidence than for OJS; check the handling of the door jamb that probably showed two more holes to account for
Oh yeah, there's Sprague, which IMO is a notch or two higher in credibility than Shannon: ‘The ballroom microphones, including ABC's, picked up the sound of only three shots above the crowd noise. Since Sirhan fired eight shots, or certainly more than three, and since Los Angeles police tests proved that Sirhan's gun could not be heard in the position of the microphones in the ballroom, the ABC film and soundtrack is important evidence of three other shots.’[1]
Evidence of additional bullets surfaced nearly immediately...an AP photo two police officers pointing at something in the center frame of the swinging doors that led into the pantry...Bugliosi identified the two officers as Sgt. Charles Wright and Sgt. Robert Rozzi were sure that what they observed was...a hole containing a bullet...[which] would have been the ninth bullet, since seven bullets had been recovered from victim wounds and the eighth was to have disappeared into the ceiling (necessary to account for acknowledged holes in the ceiling a Chicago Tribune article authored by Robert Weidrich [who] had evidently been in the pantry as the doorjamb was being removed the molding bore the scars of a crime-laboratory technician's probe as it had removed corroborating FBI evidence skipped]...There is no way to account for these holes using the existing victim wounds. Two bullet holes in the doorframe would make 10 bullets overall at a minimum...[Patrusky statement skipped]&rsquo
What's with that first external link given in this article, to the Pat Shannan site? The article is rather shoddy (I thought at first it had been penned by a non-native speaker fairly skilled in the language but not in our culture, since it refers to the "FIB (Federal Investigation Bureau)" and more than a couple of the connections are bordering on the ridiculous (George Wallace was stealing votes from Republicans and could've thrown the '72 election into the House? not to mention that the entire thing seems to beg the question on the assassination's very nation, namely in that it assumes there must have been a conspiracy and then sets out to prove it. Can anyone double-check this for me and agree/disagree on the article? If it really is that crappy, we should drop the link.
This page is insane. Not only does it give no creedence to the fact that Sirhan Sirhan may have ACTUALLY killed Bobby Kennedy, it also ended by telling people that he had escaped and run amok in Israel. Much to the chagrin of whoever was stupid enough to write that, other people in the world have the name Sirhan Sirhan. Now, here comes my problem. While I may not be a complete believer in the claim that he did kill Bobby Kennedy, could we please put some information as to why anyone would suspect such an innocent man of such a thing? I myself am having problems as the entire internet appears to be against the idea wholeheartedly. Alright. The page was better, but now it's been demolished again by conspiracy goons. Does anyone else notice that the page starts with an emphatic statment that Sirhan Sirhan killed Kennedy but then gives all evidence to the contrary? I've had a hard time finding material, so again I call out to you beautiful people to help fix this page.--TheGrza 04:44, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)
Why is the word "unconstitutional" put in quotes in the text? The quotes should be dropped, IMHO, unless someone can come up with a very good reason to keep them.
I am a kid no older then 10 and I want to know whet truely happened at that shoot out? I want to be in the law when I get older so if someone could really tell I would print it out on my computer and share it with a class or teacher. User: Congress Woman
I take it the Shannan link is the one that was just removed. For those who may be thinking of restoring it, the site it linked to no longer exists. Jobu 12:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request for expansion
If you wish to make a request for expansion, please note it on the requests for expansion page or at least give an indication here on the talk page of what you feel needs elaboration. Palmiro | Talk 22:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
- Hi! Some areas that need work include: reference to "the 'RFK must die' diary entries" before any mention of a diary, the reference to hypnosis without a source (it's an unusual claim without much legal weight), and the only offsite reference is to http://www.crimelibrary.com which seems to play up conspiracy theories.
some idiot vandalized this page so im reverting it back to an older page that from a quick glance seems to be fine
- Thank you for your alertness. gidonb 21:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Parole Granted
Sirhan Sirhan is getting parole, after his death penalty was commuted years ago. He is another Middle-East nut who needed to never show up in the United States.
- He's not getting parole, it was denied. Although he's getting parole HEARINGS, it is unlikely he'll ever be paroled.
[edit] wrong lawyer listed
- Attempts of Sirhan's lawyer, Lawrence Teeter
Teeter was not his lawyer for the first trial. Teeter became his lawyer while he was in prison, many years after the trial
If only one book is listed as the source for this article, perhaps this article should more rightly be considered a review for that book.
I plan to add info and fix some of this to this article
Wmb1957 21:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
http://texts.cdlib.org/view;jsessionid=DMYavKpnhk5l6OMd?docId=tf387002h3&chunk.id=c02-1.3.4.6.3 http://www.geocities.com/verisimus101/rfk/autopsy.htm Dr. Thomas Noguchi: July 28, 1971.
LA County Coroner. Noguchi describes RFK's wounds and concludes that muzzle distance of gun likely one inch from RFK's right ear. Says assailant was not face to face. http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~dlewis/photo.htm
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/analysis/back.time/9606/10/ An interesting related article TIME, June 14, 1968
- The family, which had Jordanian nationality, qualified nonetheless for expense-free passage to the U.S. under a limited refugee-admission program sponsored by the United Nations Relief and Welfare Agency and the World Council of Churches. Soon after reaching the U.S. in January 1957, the parents separated. The father returned to Jordan, settled alone in his ancestral village of Taiyiba and became prosperous enough from his olive groves to revisit the U.S. twice. His five sons and their mother Mary all live now in the Los Angeles area.
Wmb1957 03:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] urls
portion of taped lie detector test taped interview - Sandy Serrano - witness - campaign worker http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/serrano.html
has comments and transcript of the above interview http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/assassins/kennedy/6.html
scan of actual LAPD teletype that announced arrest of Sirhan Sirhan http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/SIRHAN.gif
Draft of autopsy report http://www.thesmokinggun.com/coroner/rfkaut1.html
[edit] incorrect statement
- In the 1990's, Sirhan would propose the theory that he had been brainwashed, which some conspiracy theorists attribute to the CIA's MK-Ultra program.
This url mentions hypnois in regard to his original request at this 1969 trial.
http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1969-3/1969-03-24-NBC-12.html
Abstract :Los Angeles, California) Sirhan remembers nothing between pouring coffee for girl and being choked, after killing. Dr. Bernard Diamond hypnotized Sirhan. Sirhan had 4 drinks, took gun to hotel, walked through alcove and saw Senator Robert F. Kennedy's entourage come in kitchen. During trance acted out shooting. Diamond feels tale true. Defense says Sirhan acted under hypnotic trance induced by mirrors in hotel alcove. REPORTER: Jack Perkins Artist: Gene Widhoff
Wmb1957 13:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Terrorist demands
In several plane hijackings and terrorist incidents in the 1970's (and maybe early 1980s), one of the demands was the freeing of Sirhan Sirhan... this should probably be mentioned in the article. AnonMoos 14:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Conspiracy theorists"
I've removed or reworked references to conspiracy theorists because calling someone a conspiracy theorist is tantamount to declaring their views false. I hope the more neutral wording is neutral enough to keep everybody happy.
I also tried to reference the website of Lawrence Teeter, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. So I have had to use a second-hand source for his arguments. However Teeter's words as published on that website do accord with the arguments on his own site as far as I can remember them. Ireneshusband 14:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
According to http://www.answers.com/topic/deaths-in-july-2005 , Lawrence Teeter died on July 31, 2005. This may explain the lack of a current website. Jobu 08:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources/Further Reading
I've added the 1993 version of the Turner/Christian book as a source; I'll be adding material from it in the near future. I'd erroneously placed it in the Further Reading section at first, which is why there are several quick edits. Jobu 09:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Start again
This article needs to be restarted and locked.
[edit] Grant Cooper
The article states that Grant Cooper, Sirhan's first defense lawyer, may have been "compromised by a conflict of interest" in Sirhan's initial trial, but does not appear to verify the nature of that conflict of interest. --Delong71487 06:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RFK Grave?
Why is Robert Kennedy's grave at Arlington being used in this article? What factual bearing does it have? And if it has any, does it outweigh the emotional bias it may garner? -- Switchfoot 01:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] trivia?
I changed "The lead prosecutor in the case was Lynn "Buck" Compton, WWII veteran of the 101st Airborne Divisions 506th PIR, E Company, of Band of Brothers fame" to "The lead prosecutor in the case was Lynn "Buck" Compton." Can someone tell me why we should put back in the (to me) trivia about the lawyer? RJFJR 17:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] biased, unsourced
This statement was included in the personal information section:
"this Baptist connection to the extreme Republican right that forces one to wonder if he wasn't in fact a pawn for Oil interests and the Republican party's inability to escape the complexity of the self serving business minded military industrial complex that was also behind bothe World Trade Center attacks in New York via the same Op-Intel tactics."
This is unsourced and false. It should be removed. --71.192.88.79 12:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
