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[edit] Astrology and Astronomy
The infamous 'Eye in the Triangle' seems to have a deep connection with the Sirius star system (a trinary star system, as believed by the Dogons and later confirmed by science in 1995). The pentagram also bears connection to Sirius (it was a symbol for Sirius in Ancient Egypt, as well as in several other cultures).
The pentagram consists of five triangles, typically with either 3 points pointing up or 2 points pointing down. 2-3-5. I actually have a theory that much of the 23-5 archetype that arises all over the place has to do with fractal patterns. Carbon-based organisms tend to include pentagram-based formations (apples, starfish, human hands, flowers, etc.), and this has to do with the Golden Mean, which directly relates to the pentagram geometrically, and is the rate of exponential growth in most carbon-based organic systems, as well as several non-organic (in the sense of non-carbon-based) systems, such as the Stock Market.
Therefore 23 and 5 showing up all over the place directly relates to the Pentagram, which also directly relates to the Holy Chaos, which portays a pentagram in opposition to an apple. The inner pentagon of a pentagram can be seen in crystals, and the outer star formation in carbon-based organisms like the Apple.
23 and 5 perhaps have so much synchronicity surrounding them because of a sort of Pythagorean ratio that shows up in all systems based on Phi (1.6180339).
Obviously, the Pythagoreans were obsessed with the pentagram and Phi (tatooed the pentagram on their palms and did a secret vesica pisces handshake).
Pythagoras' name means literally 'I am the Serpent', and in his esoteric religion, he apparently spoke of Sirius as being in some way sacred.
Get this: the eye in the pyramid was thought to have been adopted by Pythagoras as a symbol whilst travelling through Egypt, learning the secret alchemies of Thoth.
Thoth was the Egyptian god of wisdom, and was sometimes metaphorically called 'The Serpent of Wisdom'. It is thought by some that Thoth and the Mayan god Kukulcan are actually the same entity...
The Eye in the Pyramid archetype actualy may have originated with the Triple-Goddess symbolism associated with Sirius. Sirius was referred to by some ancient sects as 'The Mother Star'... The Greek word for this Great Mother was either written as a single letter, Mu, or as two succeeding letters, MU MU. Mu Mu also denotes Light, which was said to emanate magnificently from SIRIUS (and it does, of course, in comparison to other stars besides the Sun).
Light was/is known as the Menstruum of the Red Dragon to alchemists and high-level Freemasons. This relates to the ISIS myths.
Believe it or not, the ancient Egyptians referred to ISIS as actually being Sirius at one point in their history, and related Orion to her husband, Osiris. She was said to be the 'Bringer of Light'...
Which is interesting, because the Eye of Horus, deeply associated with ISIS, was one version of the Eye in the Triangle archetype... And, to the Freemasons at the turn of the 19th century, the Eye in the Pyramid was called 'The Eye of Lucifer'. Lucifer means 'light bearer'... Light is the Menstruum of the Red Dragon. The Red Dragonn is ISIS. Red as a colour has also been associated with Sirius for thousands upon thousands of years because Sirius appears red when it is close to the horizon...
- Khranus
- "later confirmed by science in 1995" is factually incorrect. There are speculations but no evidence. Provide valid references for your claim if you think otherwise.
- above by user:130.233.16.105
[edit] companion star?
The "mysteries" section reads: "it has been suggested that there is a third very small companion star". Suggested by whom? When? Why? A statement like this seems to me to be worse than useless. --Misterwindupbird 03:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
- That was a confusing way of putting it-- I've clarified & linked to the relevant reference via footnote. Lusanaherandraton 11:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Greek nationalists
I deleted this section. At best, even if it were both sourced, and true, then it would not be appropriate to put this in the article. Maybe, if there is an article somewhere on eccentric political claims by Greek nationalists, then a link to that article in the "See Also" section of this one might be ok. But there should certainly not be a section on that sort of thing in this article by any means. --Deville (Talk) 04:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This article should be moved.
This may be the "original" Sirius, but most people who type "Sirius" in Wikipedia's search box these days are probably looking for Sirius Satellite Radio. I think this article should be changed to a redirect to "Sirius Satellite Radio," which will then include a disambiguation link to something along the lines of "Sirius (star). I think that would be most beneficial to the average user.--Josh 07:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- You're kidding, right? As a resident of Australia, I've never heard of Sirius Satellite Radio. After what better-known entity do you believe that it was named, anyway? -203.11.167.254 03:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- That's crazy. That's like saying that if someone types in "Betelgeuse," we should redirect them to the movie Beetlejuice. Most people, when you refer to "Sirius," know you're referring to the brightest star in the sky. user:Jsc1973
- An utterly unencyclopedic suggestion. -Rikoshi 23:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose as well. — Knowledge Seeker দ 23:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose — The company was named after the star, not vice versa. — RJH (talk) 20:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] UFO conspiracies and grammar
I edited the (horrible) grammar for the articles regarding a hypothetical Sirian race and the Roswell "theory". The article about a Sirian race is interesting, but needs to be backed up by sources in numerous places (most notably the part about Sirians being Reptilian). Also, the Roswell article should be deleted altogether, since it's been widely accepted that it was just a weather balloon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.158.138 (talk • contribs).
The Roswell incident is such a part of pop culture that it is definately encyclopedic. However, I'm not sure the level of detail about theories of Roswell aliens origins from Sirius is warranted in this article. Especially as it's unsourced, I'm inclined to remove the "UFO Mysteries and Suprising Facts" section in its entirety. Any other views? -Satori (talk) 16:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
These two articles, along with the bottom part of The Dogons (past the 'The Dogon Controversy' link) seems to have been written by the same author.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.158.138 (talk • contribs).
I've gone ahead and remove that section entirely, as well as the section on Sirian lifeforms. The incredibly speculative nature of that section, and the only source cited being the always authorative "it has been said", I don't think it belongs in a factual article on a scientific topic. -Satori (talk) 19:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed lizard people paragraph in Dogon section
I made another removal of unsourced speculation, specifically the last paragraph in the section on the Dogons, refering to "lizard people". The only source given was the infamous "many people claim", and even the article on the Dogon that is linked to doesn't mention anything about reptillian aliens. -Satori (talk) 16:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sino-Korean and Sino-Japanese
I removed the "Sino-" from these two words. Did the author mean the on'yomi pronunciation in Japanese? If there's consensus for using terms other than the accurate and clear "Japanese" and "Korean", I'd suggest "the pronunciation of the Chinese-derived name is Tenrōsei in Japanese and Cheonlangseong in Korean." We don't talk about the pronunciation of "chic" or "menu" or "coup d'etat" in Franco-English; we talk about the pronounciation in English of words borrowed from French. We should follow a parallel practice here.
And if the article is going to give the "Chinese-derived" (or "Sino-Japanese" and "Sino-Korean") names, then it should also give the indigenous names for the star in Japanese and Korean, respectively.
Also, although I like languages and find it interesting to read about the Chinese name, how does this belong in this article? There's no information on the names for this star in other languages. Interlingua talk email 14:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Egyptian temple orientation
There was a sentence of text in the history section that read, "and many ancient Egyptian temples were oriented so that light from the star could penetrate to their inner altars." As I couldn't find a solid reference for this statement, and I wanted to move the page forward for GA review, I temporarily removed it. Does anybody know where this assertion about the templet orientation came from? Thanks. — RJH (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Dogon
The Dogon people also describes a third star in the system, Sirius C, which they call Emme Ya, and that this star has a single satellite (eg. planet). If the Dogon people is mentioned in the article, I think this should be mentioned also. Kricke 03:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- No, I don't think Emme Ya Tolo should be mentioned as there is no any astronomical evidence of its existence. In fact, there's no scientific evidence that even the myth itself is real. However, the Dogon myth has acquired considerable popularity, so it deserves own article where it could be described in detail. Now it is described in both Sirius and Dogon people articles where it really doesn't fit.--JyriL talk 21:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- "the Dogon myth has acquired considerable popularity, so it deserves own article where it could be described in detail." I agree. This Sirus article should be scientific only, and only link to the other article. It would take considerable space if all myths and religion containing Sirius would be mentioned in this article, and it's a bit confusing mixing myth with science. Kricke 00:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sirius can be seen from every inhabited place?
"Sirius can be seen from every inhabited region of the Earth's surface and..."
Its declination is −16° 42' 58.02", which means it's visible in all of the southern hemisphere but only south of 73.284 degrees of latitude in the northern hemisphere (-16.7162 + 90). There are people living north of this latitude, so the statement is not true. --Bowlhover 11:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A good article, indeed
I enjoyed reading this article and feel as though it meets the criteria to make good article status. I will be reviewing it again, to be sure that I haven't missed anything, and then I will add any necessary further commentary. Congratulations on an excellent job! Cheers! Chuchunezumi 01:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ==Sirius in popular culture==
'In Dogsbody by Diana Wynne Jones, Sirius is a celestial god sent to Earth as a mortal dog, as a punishment after being framed for killing another star. As a star, he turns red when he loses his extremely volatile temper.' This does not match what is found in the main article: Sirius in popular culture.68.148.165.213 03:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] SIRIUS Radio
I put the advert template there because the line about SIRIUS radio reads like an advertisement and I want to gauge response before truncating its abstract in the Popular Culture section . Valley2city 18:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
It's definitely an advert. I'm removing that line and just saying that it's a sattelite radio provider. Sloverlord 16:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Sloverlord. I'm not as assertive as I should be and though I should have taken care of it myself, it is not in my nature to delete something. Edit the hell out of it, yes, but not delete for some reason. There's always revert, but still. Maybe I'll take the initiative next time. Oh well... Valley2city 23:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Color of Sirius
I'm glad to see the article describing Sirius as "blue-white" as that's what it looks like to me.
But doesn't the stellar heat scale or whatever classify it as fully out of the blue range and into the white range?
Is it perhaps some terrestrial atmospheric effect that (sometimes) gives it a bluish tinge?
I believe you'll find many reputable astronomy Web sites describing it simply as "white", so this issue should be broached in some way in the article.
(Also, I vaguely recall once upon a time reading of Sirius described as a "blue" star. This could be merely a pigment of my imagination or a simplification in a children's book, but might be interesting to research how it was described prior to the modern era of gas chromatography or whatever they do nowadays to determine the heat and class of stars...)
http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/sirius.html
"The star, a white class A (A1) hydrogen-fusing dwarf with a temperature of 9880 Kelvin..."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.7.40.70 (talk • contribs).
- Yes, white, rather than blue-white, would be an appropriate description for a class A star. I updated the text. Thanks. — RJH (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- I have watched this star for years and to me (and others to whom I've pointed it out to) it looks positively green. I find it flickers between green-red-white, but the green stands out most of all. Haven't heard of any other stars being considered green, though; maybe it's just its location on the horizon (rather low) at this latitude... Icemuon 13:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes I sometimes get that flickering effect when a bright star is near the horizon or the air is turbulent. Do you live at a high latitude? — RJH (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I live at 64.10N (Iceland). Icemuon 11:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- That'll do it. But at least you probably get to watch plenty of northern lights up there. :-) The Scintillation (astronomy) article covers the effect (somewhat). — RJH (talk) 15:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Heat of Sirius
I don't recall where it was, but the heat from Sirius is apparently tangible. That would have been enough to give it special importance in ancient times. It would be most perceptible at lower latitudes, and a confirmation by anyone who has observed Sirius' heat themselves would be good here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SyntheticET (talk • contribs) 23:49, February 19, 2007 (UTC)
- It is not possible for people to feel the heat of stars light-years away. Icemuon 10:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Eclipsing variable" Sirius
I know this info is on Solstation.com, but it is untrue, for two reasons:
1.) The brightness disparity between Sirius A and B is so great that contribution of the WD to the primary's light is, for all intents and purposes, zilch.
2.) Sirius B's orbit is inclined some 136 degrees from Earth's line of sight (to put it another way, 46 degrees from edge-on); at no point does it cross in front of the primary. See the data and diagram on Dibon Smith's site:
http://www.dibonsmith.com/elements.htm http://www.dibonsmith.com/cma_a.gif
One can find a similar graphic in Burnham's Handbook, on page 397.
[edit] Hindu Mythology
The following text was posted by an anonymous contributor who admitted in the comments that this was original research. I'm moving it here in case somebody can track down some sources to validate this information. — RJH (talk) 18:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- in Hindu mythology "Rudra" is "Sirius A "who is a god called Shankar , same as Sakkar of Egyptians. A God who resides in cemetery and is a god of knowledge, art, music , dance etc. He is married to Parvati- which may be his companion star "Sirius B" and has a child called "Ganesh" which may be the third companion. This Ganesh is supposed to have gone around his mother once. This whole mythological story fits in with latest findings.Rudra is supposed to have drunk poison and stored it in his throat. That is why its colour may be blueish as depicted in story. On No moon day night on 16 Feb 2007, Shankar is worshipped from 12:28 AM to 01:18 AM when the star is in the sky. His another son Kartikeya is the name given to Another Constellation nearby called Krittika. We all know that he is the hunter who has shot an arrow to the deer.There are 36 "Jyotirlingas" in india which are symbolic of Shankar and are blue/black in colour.These may be the meteor fall outs from sky.
[edit] recent vandalism??
read this article from the top and notice that it has been vandalised someone more qualified should fix it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.67.147.46 (talk) 04:09, March 26, 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, done. Icemuon 10:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
