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Contents 1 Brad Linaweaver's uplifting adjectives 2 S3 Continuity Error 3 Adding sources 4 Season 1 Cliffhanger 5 Clean up 6 Requesting Help 7 Retcon? 8 Sabrina Lloyd 9 Hitchhikers 10 Wade gang raped by Kromaggs 11 Episode List 12 Page move 13 Capitalization of the word 'earth' 14 References 15 Sabrina Lloyd (again)

[edit] Brad Linaweaver's uplifting adjectives

Not sure what's going on with this, but I've noticed several users who keep editing the main article to say "famed author Brad Linaweaver" or "noted author Brad Linaweaver". What is the deal with this? Are the edits being done by Brad himself on some kind of an ego trip?

Just a bit above Linaweaver's credit, the "Connection to Other Works" section talks about Piers Anthony and George R. R. Martin; but some want to ignore those guys to put "famed" and "noted" next to Brad Linaweaver's name?

I may be wrong, but Wiki isn't about marketing an author. If Linaweaver is so famed and noted, then the readers of the article are going to know it without us telling them. Right? DBHughes 21:36, 09 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] S3 Continuity Error

Someone just added the idea that the uses of 'Earth Prime' after S3 aren't really Earth Prime at all because Quinn judged it was his actual Earth based on the fact that the gate squeaked, which was fixed in S2.

I'm thinking this should be removed, as

• There's no 100% confirmation that the S2 episode took place on Earth Prime (sure it was heavily implied, but you can't be certain)
• A gate that's 'fixed' temporarily could easily begin squeaking again in a year's time.

Now, it might be prudent to mention somewhere that, really, given how parallel worlds work, there's no way to really know they arrived on what was Actually Earth Prime, as opposed to an Earth that was extremely similar (right down to having its own group of missing Sliders), but saying that the S3+ Earth Prime wasn't _really_ Earth Prime strikes me as a fan who has a particular axe to grind (and believe me, I know that feeling particularly with this show), and not something that should be in the article as a whole.

Thoughts? Wandering Ghost 13:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I concur with you and have been bold and reverted the addition. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

At the end of the season two premiere, "Into the Mystic", the Sliders did return home. Writer of the episode and Sliders co-creator Tracy Torme' has confirmed it to myself personally (I operate Sliders - The Dimension of Continuity), but Torme' also stated this fact in a past interview. I will need to do some digging, but I can eventually cite the interview. That's something I'm sorting out for Wiki; actual cites to the source interviews where the information was divulged.

However, I still agree with deleting the "wrong Earth Prime" information from the main article. The truth is that after Torme' left the series, the season three producers wrote "The Exodus" with the intention that Quinn found his way to Earth Prime. In season four, the producers set up a storyline that would have revealed the Earth Prime of "The Exodus" was not really the Sliders' home; but the season four producers shelved the idea without killing it.

The truth is that the "wrong Earth Prime" idea is a sound theory backed up by the behind the scenes wrangling; but it's still just a theory. As I understand, theories are not appropriate for an article at Wiki; and any explanation of the behind the scenes I noted above would belong somewhere other than the main article (possibly as a behind the scenes note in the relevant, individual episode Wiki articles). DBHughes 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding sources

I just added the section "Episodes aired out of order." I know all this info because, well, I watched the show at the time. But I assume I need to prove that it's verifiable, so I would like to reference the book "Sliders: The Classic Episodes" by Brad Linaweaver. However, all of the references/sources on this page are for other websites. How do I make a reference for a book? Thanks. -- TOM-H-CRGL3 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

<ref name="Booknamehere">"[[Book name here]]", author name here, Page: #xyz (publishing year here)</ref> Deus Sum (Matthew Fenton) (talk • contribs) 17:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks! :) -- TOM-H-CRGL3 22:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 1 Cliffhanger

Why is the Season 1 cliffhanger left completely unresolved? For some reason Quinn gets shot by the lotto people but it's completely ignored in 2x01. -- MC Survey

It's not completely unresolved... they just kind of glance over it. "Oh no, Quinn's been shot and is bleeding to death! But now he's all better. Let's move on." But the reason is pretty much thanks to Fox. Despite the fact that fans made campaigns to renew the show for a second season, the suits didn't actually thing the same folks would be able to remember the cliffhanger. Thankfully Tracy Torme went to bat - after all the crap they put him through, it was the one thing he fought for. Unforunately, they screwed him even with this, and he was allowed only a certain room and time to resolve it. Yes, it's a joke, but at least there was an effort.--Bacteria 15:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Same thing I noticed with the pilot and the beginning of 1x02. That gronk is Quinn's father in the universe he thought he slided home to, and he drops the wine glass in shock. Episode 2 makes no mention of this at all - they're just in some other universe right away. M.C. Brown Shoes 21:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it happened sometimes...

In the end of the second episode (Fever - supposed to have been aired 5th) they were seen in a tent and mention a bunch of cannibals who were about to eat them. But it was never seen how they escaped.

[edit] Clean up

Hey. I'd like to clean up the article a little. I'll not delete anything, but I think some rearranging and some expansion is in order. I've done all the changes, including images, etc, and they're saved on my computer. If I get the go ahead, I'll edit the page. It can only benefit the article, but if you're not happy with the changes I make, go ahead and revert, or build upon it... I'd eventually like to expand the entire Sliders project on Wikipedia. -- Avengers fan 23:28, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Well... I got impatient... Lol! Hope you like it! -- Avengers fan

[edit] Requesting Help

Hey. Me again. I'd like to request that whoever's interested in expanding the Sliders articles on Wikipedia discuss together and get something done. Get a page for each of the main characters, not just the season 1/2 cast? Maybe some more episodes? If we can come up with maybe four or five approved headings to include in each character profile, I think it'll all be a lot neater... -- Avengers fan 19:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the link to Roger Daltrey (2) back to Roger Daltrey, for two reasons:

1. we don't use numbers for disambiguation here; [[Roger Daltrey (actor)]] would have been more correct
2. according to IMDb it is in fact the same Roger Daltrey as the Roger Daltrey article is about, so no disambiguation is required

—Paul A 01:13 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

What similarities does Sliders supposedly have with Quantum Leap? -Branddobbe 00:27, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

• A physicist travels between various different time/space realities and has a fixed amount of time in which they stay in that reality.
• Each reality's stay usually lasts for the duration of one TV episode, with the exception of two-part episodes.
• There are 'evil leapers' in both- who are trying to undermine the work of the protagonists.
• There is an emphasis placed on significant events in Earth's history. In Quantum Leap, Sam attempts to change significant events for the better; in Sliders, they experience the after-effects of significant changes in history in alternate quantum realities.

- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:12, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I think there was a parallel (no pun intended) in that both shows, especially in Sliders' first season, that each episode ended on the start of a new adventure. Each episode of Quantum Leap ended with Sam in a new time and place, uttering his catch phrase "Oh, boy..." I think the best example of a comparison was in "Fever" where they ended on the cannibal world - a dead-on Quantum Leap moment. Another similarity was that both sets of travelers were just wanting to get home, lost in the trans-dimensional fabric. It's also interesting to study the terms used to coin both sets of respective travelers and their their travels - Leapers, Leaping; in comparison to Sliders and Sliding. A difference between shows that I believe is worth noting is that it was Sam's mission and purpose to change things before he can leave with a hope that it will get him closer to home. The sliders, however, could leave regardless, and they often debated among one another if they should interfere with the locals, to use their own terminology. They could just as easily stayed out of trouble and slide on time, but if they did that, it wouldn't be a very interesting show, would it? --Bacteria 09:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Retcon?

I watched the pilot of Sliders and I remember one of the initial elements of the premise was that something would happen if they didn't all slide together when the timer opened the vortex; if one of them said "Man, this world is nice, I'd rather just stay here than take my chances continuing to hop around," it would doom the others in ... some way I can't remember. Of course, later in the show the make-up of the group did change, starting with Arturo getting killed and Maggie joining -- did they ever mention what this did to the whole "We have to slide together!" part of the premise, or did they just ignore it? -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:51, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The details of what happens if they "miss the slide" changed a couple of times. If you watch season 1 in its original airing order (instead of the order the writers intended), it's more confusing because episode 2 (which tried to explain the timer) didn't air until 5th or 6th. In the beginning, the timer had to be activated when the display hit 0:00:00 because that's the only time the gateway would be accessible. If it was not activated, the group would be stranded on that earth forever. Later on (I'm going by memory in this part so please CMIIW) the story became that another gateway would be available in something like 27 years.

I don't remember anything about the whole group having to go together. In fact, side characters came and went pretty freely. There was a throwaway line early on about the timer being set for 3 people but actually transporting 4, which might cause problems with the hardware, but that plotline wasn't explored further.

Mike 09:36, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

It's a common thing for pilots to contain elements of a TV series that don't make it into the general show if it's picked up. After all, in the pilot, it was suggested that the Sliders have to return to the point where they first entered that universe to have any hope of returning home. It's just something that happens... for that matter, look at the pilot for Star Trek: TNG and compare how the characters are handled to the rest of the show.--MythicFox 07:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

If you watch the first season episodes in the aired order, you'd notice that the vortex can be opened at will only in the first episode. The idea, as intended, was that when Quinn activated the timer prematurely in pilot episode on that frozen world, it compromised the timer. It was then re-rigged (in "Summer of Love") so as to count down to the nearest window of oppertunity. If they miss it, they'd have to wait 29.7 years (or a miraculous oppertunity such as the timer in "Slide Like an Egyptian").

The thing about being together was simply that if they wanted to get back home, or if, at the least, they didn't want to be stranded, they had to stay together (which was a major hole in logic in "Slither"), otherwise those with the timer had to slide without all four, or risk missing the slide to regroup. It was a choice, as noted in "The King is Back" wherein which Remmy wants to stay and the others have to slide without him in respect of his decision. The timer was set for three people. Rembrandt tagging along was stretching it, and they were warned that more could do them damage when sliding as it would put a strain on the vortex. This was kind of an inconsistency, mainly because when they all first slide, they picked up Rembrandt's cadillac as well, which would guarantee that they were ensured enough mass for at least a fifth person. --Bacteria 21:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sabrina Lloyd

The article claims that Sabrina Lloyd was allegedly fired. According to [1], she (allegedly) quit, telling David Peckinpah, "It's me or Kari." Q0 12:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hitchhikers

The article claims that in season 2, the sliders agreed as a rule to no longer accept hitckhikers. When did this happen? I remember hitchhikers were taken/invited in the following episodes:

• The Luck of the Draw: Ryan
• Love Gods: A married couple
• El Sid: Sid and Michelle
• Murder Most Foul: Trevor was invited
• The Other Slide of Darkness: Quinn's double was invited
• Mother and Child: Christine and her son Jonathin went with the sliders, even after they were on a safe world.

Since they kept inviting people, it doesn't seem like they made it a rule to not accept hitchhikers. Q0 20:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I do recall this being a subject with the sliders, but I can't say for certain in which episode this was adressed. I should comment, however, that making a rule and sticking to it are two different things - especially since they did in fact make it a rule not to interfere with the "locals" very early in the first season. And I think we all know how that turned out. --Bacteria 21:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

From what I remember, in the episode "El Sid", Arturo warned Rembrandt about the dangers of taking more people along with them, and that every time they add a body, they increase the risk that they will all be finely spread like jelly across an infinite number of dimensions. However, I'm not sure if they actually made a rule against hitchhikers; I think Arturo might have simply been warning about the dangers of taking more people. Q0 21:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall El sid, but he also said something like that in "The Luck of the Draw" when Rembrant suggested allowing some beautiful black woman to slide with them instead of being executed. (By the lottery) OzOz

[edit] Wade gang raped by Kromaggs

It says in this article that Wade was "sentenced to be gang raped by Kromaggs" - did I miss something, or is it just the charming way of the writer to describe the breeders' camp?

Holy shit; you're right. It must have been something that get in there when someone wasn't looking, and didn't go over the article to find it later. I have now rephrased it to something more appropriate. --Bacteria 18:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

That is the funniest thing i've read all day! HarveyDanger 05:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode List

There are plenty of TV shows on Wikipedia, and they tend to have episode lists. As i sit here watching my sliders dvd, i have to question why this page does not.
I am hesitant to create an episodes list at this time, because i do not know if there has already been one that has been deleted. i cannot find anything about it. any opinions before i start? Jeremys779 04:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

There is one at List of Sliders episodes. Q0 05:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

yes there is. i wonder why i could not find it before. i am going to link it from the main page. thanks! Jeremys779 07:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I notice that Season Two on the list of Sliders episodes is not in the viewing order the producers intended; the list is instead in the order Fox aired the episodes.

Sliders fans have debated the subject for many years, and the consensus is that the producer's intended viewing order is the one that should be promoted. The main reasoning behind that choice is two-fold. Fox only aired "Invasion" next to last because many Fox Execs hated the episode; so "Invasion" was scheduled to first air in the dead of summer when the Fox Execs felt no one would be watching television anyway. Also, Fox only aired "As Time Goes By" as the Season Two finale because the Fox Execs were honestly confused by the episode (which isn't a surprise if you know the Fox Execs). Much like "Invasion", the Fox Execs scheduled "As Time Goes By" to air in the dead of summer the week after "Invasion"; the reasoning was again because they felt no one would be watching television at that point.

The below order is how the producers meant Sliders Season Two to viewed; and it makes more sense in several regards even though it's not fatal to view the Season Two episodes out of order.

Into the Mystic

Time, Again and World

El Sid

Love Gods

The Good, the Bad and the Wealthy

As Time Goes By

Gillian of the Spirits

Obsession

Invasion

Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome

In Dino Veritas

Greatfellas

The Young and the Relentless

I've planned for some time to add some more information to the Sliders Wikipedia entry, and I'll try to get around to it soon. I've operated http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com since 1998, and I've talked to practically everyone who worked on producing Sliders; I even have a collection of well over 100 props used in the show's filming along with a copy of every script written. However, everyone who has worked on the Sliders Wikipedia entry has done a great job; and I'm glad to see the show represented so well at Wikipedia. --TemporalFlux 18:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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I don't know where to exactly put this and it's been some time since I've seen the show but I remember in an episode of season 1, the groups made a slide to San Fransico. This San Fran was deserted and they looked at the bay and saw a giant tidal wave coming towards the city. i was thinking that would make for a great episode but it was never explored. Does anyone also remember this?

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This was at the end of the episode Summer of Love (Sliders). Q0 02:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

And the beginning of the episode, The Prince of Wails. The episodes were aired (and DVD-ized) out of order. 15:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

I didn't noticed this at first, but Sliders was recently moved to Sliders (TV program). This slipped by because not only does watching a page not cover moves, and I'm a bit bothered by the fact that an announcement or vote on this talk was avoided. So given how the title of this page relates to the disambiguation and such, I was just wondering if I'm the only one who think it was just fine the way it was and should be moved back, or, at the least, it be moved to Sliders (TV series), per naming convention? --Bacteria 10:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I also think it was best the way it was before, when it was just named Sliders. However, if it has to be moved, then it should be called Sliders (TV series), not Sliders (TV program). Q0 19:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the page back. I was going to do it myself when I realised that a week had passed, but I guess I was a day too late. I don't think the mover is familar with usage of the word "slider" vs. "sliders", and a brief look at the articles that link here give the impression that most, if not all, are referencing the series. It's no more confusing than the "Quantum Leap"/"quantum leap" thing. --Bacteria 08:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of the word 'earth'

I think the word 'earth' should be capitalized in the same way that the words 'mom' and 'dad' are capitalized. If a specific person is called 'Mom' or 'Dad', then the words are capitalized. However, if you say "my mom", "the dad", "some mothers", etc., then they are in lower-case. In the same context, I think "the earth", "an earth", "most earths", etc. should be in lower case, but when 'Earth' is used as the name of a planet, without an article like 'the' attached to it, it should be capitalized (as in "I returned to Earth." or "I returned to the earth."). Therefore, I think Earth Prime should be capitalized because it refers to a specific earth and does not have an article like 'the' attached to it. Q0 03:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

In the context of this article, where 'Earth' is always used in the context of other planets (other Earths), isn't Earth a proper noun referring to the territory that is our world? If we were referring to Russia on alternate worlds, wouldn't we refer to them as alternate Russias? Or, going to a galactic scale, alternate Milky Ways?

Wikipedia's Manual of Style (capital letters) has this to say:

The words sun, earth, and moon are proper nouns when the sentence uses them in an astronomical context

This article seems to refer to Earth as a planet with respect to all the other planets called 'Earth' in other dimensions in almost every case. 15:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

I noticed that the article is tagged as needing references. Could the episodes themselves count as references? Q0 03:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sabrina Lloyd (again)

The article states, "Sabrina Lloyd began starring on ABC's Sports Night during the hiatus between switching from Fox to Sci-Fi Channel". I thought that although there was a large gap of time between when Fox aired its last episode and when Sci-Fi aired its first, the production of the fourth season (the first on the Sci-Fi channel) began in the fall following the last season on Fox. There does not appear to be a hiatus in production of Sliders between Fox and Sci-Fi. Q0 21:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I should say that my understanding is that the sequence of events is as follows:

• Approximately February-April 1997: Production of season three of Sliders ends.
• May 16, 1997: Fox airs the last first run episode of season three.
• September 16, 1997: Sci-Fi Channel begins production of season four.
• June 8, 1998: Sci-Fi Channel airs first episode of season four.
• September 22, 1998: Sports Night first airs on ABC.

Sports Night did not air until around a year after Sliders production began on the Sci-Fi channel. Though I do not know when production of Sports Night began, it is my guess that it is like most shows and produced about two months in advance. Sliders was unusual in that it was made a year in advance. Q0 21:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'll clarify it. Here's my source, which I'll also add to the article. [2].--M@rēino 15:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you fore the reference. However, some assertions in the article are still undocumented in the source. The article claims, "During the fourth season, fans began petitioning for Lloyd to return, as were writers such as Marc Zicree. Sabrina Lloyd signed a contract with ABC's Sports Night during the hiatus between switching from Fox to Sci-Fi Channel, and was now filming." The reference does not say that fans or Marc Zicree were petitioning to bring Sabrina Lloyd. The only mention of Marc Zicree in the reference is that he wanted there to be a reason Wade was sentenced to the breeder camp. Also, the reference does not say that Sabrina Lloyd signed a contract with ABC during the hiatus between Fox and Sci-Fi. If she did, then it would mean she signed the contract with ABC at least one year before Sports Night began airing on ABC. Q0 20:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• On the contrary, the source does say that fans were petitioning to bring back Sabrina Lloyd. "In season five, production decided to resolve Wade's character due to fan inquiries and demands."[3]--M@rēino 15:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I missed that part. However, I still can't find anything saying that Marc Zicree wanted Sabina Lloyd back; all I found was a claim that Zicree wanted there to be a reason for the Kromagg breeder camp. Q0 19:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)