Talk:Smith and Jones (Doctor Who)

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Contents 1 Synopsis? 2 Judoon image 3 Nick Courtney? 4 Rhinos? 5 Martha. Martha Jones 6 Black dalek? 7 Broadcast date 8 Briggs as Judoon voice? 9 Plasmavores? 10 Is three pictures too many for this page? 11 Vineeta Rishi? - Cast 12 Picture

[edit] Synopsis?

Given the Fincham confirmation, would it be appropriate to write up a basic synopsis of the plot at this time, or should we wait for a released summary? Radagast 02:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Judoon image

I've removed the image because not yet aired episodes shouldn't have an image in my opinion.

• Xdt 21:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Courtney?

As far as actors to play other roles before the one they are later better known for, what about Nicholas Courtney? He first appeared in a William Hartnell story before later appearing with Troughton as Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart.

[edit] Rhinos?

Are we sure they're all Rhinos? I remember a pig appearing in that trailer too, like the one from the Slitheen invasion. Andral 18:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't that in a dark, rural-looking area, though? (And I recall taking a closer look at it, and it looked a bit more "real" than the one from the Slitheen invasion.)

I dunno, I still don't think it's fair to specify that they're a race of rhino people until we get more footage or images, that part of the preview being my excuseAndral 00:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

They're Rhinos - see Doctor Who mag issue 379 (or 380 when it's released). 380 released 1st March - that will give more info on the Judoon. But it has got a couple of pics of them... UltimateNagash 14:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is some footage, the third clip features the Judoon leader. This is a spoiler for the first episode.[1]--MrWez 21:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martha. Martha Jones

From the way I saw it, the quote "Martha. Martha Jones" was from two clips from separate episodes, so is wrong. I think she just says "Martha". Damiancorrigan 12:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black dalek?

I watched the teaser and was excited when I saw a BLACK DALEK! Is this the same Dalek from Doomsday? 86.140.43.136 05:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems so — but he won't be in this episode (as far as we know). Dalek Sec is expected to show up in Daleks in Manhattan, along with a few of his mates. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Broadcast date

Can we get a referenced source on the March 24? It gels with what I've seen projected, but I'm unaware of a specific official source. Radagast 01:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Judging from outpost gallifrey forums, there still doesn't seem to be any firm news on the matter, so I suggest it be removed. Morwen - Talk 01:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. (I just noticed it myself.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Somebodies added it back in again, and added March 31st to The Shakespeare Code. --GracieLizzie 22:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't take this as true, but it does fit in with the book releases. The first one is released on the 1st of March, so I think it would rather strange to have the new companion in a book either before she actually got on the TARDIS, or that they show her getting on it soon afterwards. Did that make sense? I hope so... UltimateNagash 15:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Last year, I bought books in the Stone Rose batch on the Wednesday before the series started. I don't think they were "supposed" to be on the market, though!--Rambutan (talk) 17:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

What Nagash says is reasonable, but we still can't add the date until it's been confirmed by the BBC. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have a copy of TV Times? In it David Tennant confirms this will be broadcast in March, but I don't have a copy of thid so I just added a temporary reference. Could someone please replace it with a better reference? Using a citation template please?--GracieLizzie 15:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I managed to get a copy today :) --GracieLizzie 17:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Josiah - but from the above comments I think I'm wrong. Oh well, only a guess. UltimateNagash 14:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

does anybody actually know WHEN the episode is airing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.145.124.36 (talk • contribs) 16:46, February 14, 2007 (UTC)

Short answer: no. There are various rumours, but nobody except the Beeb knows for sure, and they're not telling yet. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the episode air date is wrong - Doctor Who Mag says 24th of March. So I suggest you watch that week to make sure. OK? UltimateNagash 11:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It's the 31st, it was going to be the 24th but it was changed at the last minute because of an Athletics Comp being televised (I think). However this change of mind was so late that there wasn't enough time for DWM's editors to stop the incorrect date from going to print, in fact I think all the magazines had already been printed and were due to be shipped when they were sent to print. GracieLizzie 12:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The Sun are now reporting it's not on until April.

But it's the Sun - can you trust it :D UltimateNagash 18:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Everything said by The Sun needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, they have been wrong to many times in the past to be seen as 'reliable' they seem to have a habbit of accidently publishing rumors rather then fact.--Wiggstar69 18:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It's definately the 31st of April - the BBC site says it is | BBC Site UltimateNagash 12:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Briggs as Judoon voice?

What's the source for this? If it's the "Beyond the Vortex" segment that aired on BBC7 after part one of Human Resources, I'm not sure that's good enough — he just said that he was recording voices for some aliens in the 2007 series, and ran into Anne Reid and Roy Marsden. That just means that he recorded the voices during the filming of Smith and Jones. While it seems likely that he was doing voices for the Judoon, it's not definite — there could be another group of aliens in the story, or he could have been recording voices for a later episode while Smith and Jones was filming. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is doing the Judoon voices, but we should be careful not to add info until it's confirmed. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I've listened to the "Beyond the Vortex" again, and although it does seem pretty clear that he's talking about monsters for this story, it's still possible that there's another monster besides the Judoon that we don't know about. I've removed the specific listing from the cast list, and included his actual quote in the "cast notes" section. If/when we learn that the voice is the Judoon, we can re-add it then. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

David Tennant has confirmed it. http://team-tennant.com/dtint/id171.htm (talk

That link is broken. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Try an l at the end. Morwen - Talk 12:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

D'oh! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 14:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plasmavores?

(SPOILER WARNING): a thread on OG suggests that the Plasmavores are the "real baddies" in episode one, and are driven away by the Judoon, who are speculated to be either goodies or merceneries hired to fight them. For the article?--Rambutan (talk) 08:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Should I then assume that it'd be OK to add a mention of them, since no-one's replied to the contrary?--Rambutan (talk) 08:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I've been avoiding the OG spoiler forum, so I can't speak to the reliability of this notion. For Wikipedia's purposes, we've got to stick to what reliable sources have said. The OG forum isn't a reliable source. If there's another source for this rumour — an article in SFX, say, or Dreamwatch's new website — we might be able to add it; we'd have to judge whether the source meets the standards of WP:ATT. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I know, but it would explain why we're not yet sure which episode the P/vores are in, and the Beeb's comment that something in the hospital is "out for blood".--Rambutan (talk) 08:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds probable, but it's still speculation. We can't add our speculation, or the speculation of other fans on forums — the only sort of speculation we can add is speculation from reliable sources.  :/ —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't like to say "I told you so", but I told you so. :-) Sounds like a rather busy episode, doesn't it.--Rambutan (talk) 08:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, you were right that the Plasmavores were in this episode; but I was right too, that we needed to wait for a reliable source. Rumours can be true, but we still need to follow WP:ATT. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand that, I was only joking!--Rambutan (talk) 09:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

On the new episode homepage, it seems to have a Judoon saying "Sentence execution!" So it is very probable that the plasmavore is on the run from the Judoon. Will the Doctor be stuck in the middle? Also very probable.--MrWez 15:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is three pictures too many for this page?

I like all three of the pictures, although, the pictures to writing ratio is to large. I would consider moving the third picture of the doctor and martha onto the doctor who serieals page 'or' deleting it altogether. The reason for picking this picture is that it is nothing to do with episode 1 of series 3, but one of the later episodes. I'll leave this comment up for a while if I don't get any negative feedback I'll delete the picture.--Wiggstar69 23:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought the common consensus was "one screenshot per episode-or-serial article"? I prefer one screenshot on episode an article pages (on episode from all series) myself. I definitely think the third one (which is from an advert for the whole series not necessarily just this episode) should go, and personally I think #2 is a bit "meh". I like #1 the most, but that may change if on broadcast another scene is shown to sum up the episode better without being too spoilery. GracieLizzie 00:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep — one image per episode article is the general rule, in part to keep within the spirit of WP:FU. And yes, we can change the image after broadcast. I've removed the extra ones. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorted then.--Wiggstar69 08:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vineeta Rishi? - Cast

Vineeta Rishi has been added to the cast on the page and I was wondering how the person who added her found out about this, all I could find about her was thats she has been in The Bill quite a few times,(also she doesn't seem to have a page yet).--Wiggstar69 15:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

On this page i'd say (like I did on the Shakespeare Code) that this particular picture isn't as good as the one before it of Martha. The remaining pictures Smeggles has added on the other pages I think are fine. If you think the same comment and we'll consider swapping them again.

Your obviously not happy with the picture of Martha (whoich I think is more centural to the episode then your picture) if you think different please discuss first.--Wiggstar69 21:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone changed the image to a shot of the Doctor kissing Martha. I still think that Image:Smith and Jones (Doctor Who).jpg is the best image — newspaper reports indicate that the Doctor explains the kiss away saying "It means nothing, it was just a genetic transfer." [2] Can we keep this image up until the episode airs? After it airs we can discuss what turns out to be central to the episode. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)