Talk:Social work/Archive 1
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I'm removing the following:
- They generally force their "help" on people who don't want it, and ignore human rights in their quest to "save" people. Social workers are trained to place their feelings and gut instincts supreme above reason, rationality, and respect for human dignity. Social workers typically act as repressive agents of fascist regimes, usually working hand in hand with police agencies to carry out low intensity eugenics programs against the poor and working classes.
It is highly POV, and (in my opinion) rather bizarre. And if you must add such nonsense to articles, Clutch, at least have the honesty not to mark them as "minor edits" - "minor" might be a spelling fix, or adding a missing full stop, but not this. --Camembert
It's really not that bad, see some people, like Clutch, think that. It's pov. So it should say, "Some people think they force their "help" onto others"... but dont let me force my pov on pov unto you.
- I'm sorry, but even qualifying these statements with "critics argue" leaves them looking very bizarre - who are these people who think that social workers are "repressive agents of fascist regimes" who "carry out low intensity eugenics programs", as opposed to "emplyees of democratic governments" who "work to improve the living conditions of the socially disadvantaged" (or whatever)? I'm fed up with edit wars, so I'll leave it be for now, but this seems like a very extreme view to be taking up 80% of the article. --Camembert
- I agree. The removed text should stay removed. It is not all encyclopedic - let alone the fact that it is very POV and essayish. --mav
Well, its not gonna be able to stay as is, but its at least a valid point that some people do see social workers as a very bad and dysfunctional "service". Recently, Oregon apoligized for forced sterilizations which were conducted for about 70 years by social workers. However, 2 sentences of description followed by 20 sentences of unsubstantiated criticism is not a good article-there needs to be more fact.
I think all social workers are pedophilians that should be there too. --BL
no you dont, yer just saying that to be extra argumentative.
Social workers actually turn a blind eye to pedophilia at times; do a google search for "The Weidner Method" and read up. I also have personal experience that backs up what is written in the Weidner Method. --Clutch 01:30 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)
Oh I agree, social services in America is in a sorry state, Im just saying its arguing ad absurdium to state, "I think all social workers are pedophilians that should be there too."
Karl how is the current version pov?
"For example, social workers associated with adoption services are often accused of kidnapping whilst others are accused of operating a program of eugenics which targets the poor, racial minorities, and the working class. "
what an interesting view of social workers you have. Which countries are you refering to? What types of social workers are you refeing to? Perhaps public health nurses engage in eugenics? Often accused of kidnapping? I don't hear about it in our national paper, or on our national radio. I happen to know social workers personally who have worked in the US. I'm sorry I don't think so. Specific abuses do not make all social workers. Often specific abuses have more to do with the court system and the laws of the country. It sounds like a conspiricy theory to me. Karl
- Yes, I was thinking of adding a link to conspiracy theory myself, but I've never been completely sure what constitutes one --Camembert
OK, I've tried to add a bit - it is possible to be critical of social workers without actually thinking they're involved in an international conspiracy, or that they kidnap babies or anything. I'd just remind everybody that this article is not about "Social services in America" or whatever, and in my view, it ought ideally to be quite a simple page detailing what social workers actually do without getting into specific criticisms which are probably only relevant to one geographical area, or one particular agency. Clearly, there still needs to be more on that. --Camembert
- how frequent is "frequently"? Oh, it happens "a lot." I see. Yes, this is an outrage. Thanks for tipping us off, Clutch. Your writing is to be prized, for sure for sure.
The US Government argues that this is POV. 129.186.80.124 02:36 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)
My wife is a social worker. 90 per cent of what she does is psychotherapy, combined with a bit of what she calls "classical social work" in connecting patients up with agencies for housing, medical care, etc. She has a private practice and works part time for a coalition of mostly non-governmental social agencies. She usually works in coordination with physicians, particularly psychiatrists. In her whole career, she has only worked for one government agency, the department of correction, providing therapy to convicts. She never turned a single convict in to the guards.
There are many social workers who do not work for governments and even granting the entire thesis of the cruel orphan warden that seems to be the bulk of this article, most social workers do not work for governments or indeed have much control over the lives of their clients, patients, or whatever you want to call them. The article is badly balanced toward the government employee type and ignores all the others. Ortolan88
Should we move this to social worker? These seem to be distinct topics. --Eloquence
- Are they really? What more is there to say about a social worker apart from "A social worker is somebody who does social work"? I don't see any reason not to treat everything in one article. (The article was at social worker originally, by the way, but was moved, rightly in my opinion.) --Camembert
As I social worker I was both shocked and insulted by what I read as the "typical social worker" roles. I work in a hospital with patients who are dying with cancer. I see each client for one hour once a week like a typical psychologist would do and I diagnose them using the DSM-IV-TR. I use a spectrum of psychological theories and have had years of training in both diagnosing and treating mental disorders. Because I work in a hospital I can also request that a patient be given medication to help treat their condition. I feel both humbled and honored to be able to help ease their suffering in their final months. I can say with confidence that none of my clients would agree with the statements made in this article regarding the role of social workers or the service (or lack thereof) that they provide. The article on social workers is based on the typical social worker role from about 100 years ago. Once liscenced, there is almost nothing that a social worker cannot and does not do that a psychologist can do.
Still very American in outlook. I will shortly be starting a social work training programme in the UK and will certainly be adding to this article.
Minority of Social Worker make a bad name for others
Yes some social workers are very bad... some are at the centre of scandels... Social Work is an extreamely diverse profession and it is important that is reflected. I'm going to print this off and pass it around and I will likely be adding some more information to the entry using input of local Social Worker professionals, students and educators. Very important that negative experiences with some social workers do not taint them for the rest.
