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Talk:Socialist Equality Party (US)

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I don't think the changes made are "Sectarian". They elaborate what the issues were at the time that the organization was formed. If you leave out the substance of the discussions, and just say, "there were differences of opinion" then it omits vital information to the understanding of the subject.

It'd be great to include the substance of the discussions. Unfortunately your edits are propaganda for the SEP - the other groups involved would entirely disagree with them (as would groups not involved in them) Warofdreams 10:25, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

There are many things wrong with this version:

"The origins of the SEP lie in the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) of the early 1960s."

Actually, the SEP is a part of an international and has its roots in the various sections of the International Committee of the Fourth International. It can't seriously be argued that it all came out of the head of Wohlforth in the American SWP!

Also, I don't understand how you can remove all references to Pabloism. It is the SEP's long-running battle against the ideas of Pabloism that sets it apart from the SWP and other sections of the ISFI. It's a major theme in a lot of their writing, so why would you delete any reference to it?

Also, even though Wohlforth and the RT did not split over the Cuba issue, they did attempt to hold a discussion on this point, which was shut down by the SWP leadership.

This passage is confusing: "The two main leaders of the RT had different evaluations of the SWP. Robertson's position led the SWP to expel him and his supporters first. Wohlforth and his supporters were themselves expelled in 1964. They claimed that this was due to their insistence on a discussion of the decision by the of the Sri Lankan Lanka Sama Samaja Party to participate in the national government. They then formed the American Committee of the Fourth International (ACFI) and became the United States section of the ICFI."

Robertson's supporters did not become a part of the ICFI and eventually became the Sparticist League. They have nothing to do with the SEP anymore. Why is this not mentioned?

Alos, "became the United States section of the ICFI"??? The SWP leadership formed the ICFI, so how did a minority within the SWP suddenly become the American section of the ICFI??? If you just throw it in there, without explaining what the ICFI was, as I did, then you will just confuse people who come to Wikipedia for objective accounts of the events. Is that the purpose of completely undoing my additions?

Can you at least, piece by piece, respond to what is wrong with what I put in? If you can't do that, it seems to me that your are trying to impose your opinion on the subject matter. You seem to think there was no substance to teh debates occuring within the party and that all these splits are an indication of the stupidity of Trotskyism. Whatever your opinion is, I think you should leave it out of editing this entry and allow the facts to presented.

Thank you.


Thank you for being more fair about the new version. I just want to say that it is an objective fact that the World Socialist Website is the most widely read international socialist news publication on the internet. I don't see why this fact needs to be hidden from users of wikipedia.

Check alexa.com, which allows you to compare the number of hits between different sites. www.wsws.org gets about as many hits per day as the Nation's website or Michael Moore's website and far more than the socialistworker or any other international socialist publication. If you discover otherwise, then I think you would be right to take that sentance out.


--The reasons given in the latest version for the departure of Wohlforth are simply wrong. There was never any charge made that Wohlforth was a CIA agent. The other material deleted is simply extraneous and presents the history of the WL/SEP as one of personalities and sexual intrigues, rather than fundamental political questions.

Please stop deleting material without an explanation. Especially since it was already discussed on this page and you have not responded to it. Please see below for what has already been said about Alexa.com and the WSWS. Do not change without discussion.

I explained why I removed it in the edit summary, and it has been extensively discussed elsewhere. There is already a link to the WSWS at the end of the article, and more detail is inappropriate here, as this article is only about the SEP in the United States. What would you like to discuss? Warofdreams talk 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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