Template talk:Social democracy

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Jean Juares and Leon Blum were socialists, not social democrats - not the same thing at all. They should be removed, In fact I don't see why a few select people should appear on this template at all. Adam 14:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree they were removed. I made the rest of my edit on the principle: be bold! In order to make some sense of the large list of ideas - C mon 07:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Both Jean Jaures and Leon Blum laid the foundations of social democracy in France; they opposed revolutionary socialism and supported moderate reformist policies. They called themselves social democrats, and that is what they were.

Now, I believe that, for the sake of consistency, this template should mirror the Christian Democracy template. Since the CD template has people on it, so should this one. I would support the removal of people from both templates, but, sadly, there are some persistent editors of the CD template who would probably never agree. -- Nikodemos 06:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

First, I think for the sake of consistency the social democracy and the christian democracy template should mirror the liberalism template, which is older, is used more and has been edited by more users. (& It doesn't have figures on it)

Second, if for the sake of consistency we would put persons in we shouldn't just do WOI-Socialist party leaders like now. The Christian democracy template has three popes (not political politicians but religious leaders), two medieval/early modern christian thinkers (Aquinas & Calvin), three post-WOII CD leaders (Adenauer, De Gasperi, Schuman), one from the 1980s-1990s (Kohl), one minister-minister (Kuyper). All in all a mixed list: we need to do that here too both thinkers, politicians and preferably union-leaders.

Third, on a side note why have freedom, mixed economy & human rights been inserted into the template? They are not specifically Social Democrat at all!

Finally, I think you are being to bold Nikodemos by re-insterting those leaders without discussion. That's just a way to make your changes without discussion. C mon 07:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

In my experience, making bold changes is the best way to get people's attention and thus start a discussion. :) I won't try to revert you or anything like that.

I absolutely agree with everything you said. However, in my mind, the principle of consistency takes precedence over everything else. The CD template has generic ideals like freedom in it, so, for balance's sake, the SD template should have them too. I would like both the SD and CD templates to mirror the liberalism template... but we should probably take this discussion to the CD template talk page.

I am not particularly fond of the social democratic leaders I added to the template. However, they are the ones I know best. I would welcome any suggestions about including other kinds of social democrats (philosophers, union leaders, etc). I would like it even better if we could eliminate individual people entirely from both the SD and CD templates. -- Nikodemos 19:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The main question here should be which politics template has primacy in consistency. There is no rule for this, but liberalism is older, used more and by more users. We should follow that one. C mon 20:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Let us therefore go to Template talk:Christian Democracy and solve the problem there (since that is the template that is being watched by other editors who may or may not agree with us). -- Nikodemos 04:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

On another note, do you have any ideas for people that could be mentioned on this SD template? -- Nikodemos 04:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ICFTU

I changed the ICFTU link to International Trade Union Confederation to reflect the recent merger.--Bookandcoffee 18:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ideas?

The entire 'ideas' section reads like an election pamphlet. Concepts like "Democracy, Freedom, Human rights, Human dignity, Positive liberty, Social justice, Solidarity, Sustainability" are by no means unique to Soc Dems, and the links say very little about Soc Dem ideology. I propose they be deleted, the question is what should substitute it? --Soman 10:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

They were added here because they are also present in the Christian Democracy template, and it proved impossible to persuade a couple of editors to accept their removal. I maintain that any criteria applied to this template must be applied in equal measure to the Christian Democracy template. -- Nikodemos 10:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I think we meed strong criteria for the inclusion of ideas for all templates, because I belief that these ideas are very useful, if they have proper criteria. C mon 16:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)