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[edit] Map
My map shows Southwark and The Borough as separate areas. London Borough of Southwark lists them both. ( 12:36, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- It's really quite confusing, but the Borough Market's website claims this is so. Note there are three regions called Southwark. These are the original village of Southwark and its urban area, the expanded Metropolitan Borough of Southwark (including places like Walworth and Newington), and the London Borough of Southwark (including Camberwell and Bermondsey). If your map is like mine it will probably show 'Southwark' and 'The Borough' on it both, but with 'The Borough' in smaller type, indicating that the Southwark is referring to the broader area.
- If you look at Southwark council's website you'll find no place named Southwark, just a Borough and Bankside community council area. If you can find out definitely that this is wrong then please change it. Morwen 12:43, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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- the use of 'the borough' for southwark has never been as specific as the use of 'the city' for the city of london. both before and after its annexation by the city in 1550, southwark has been a rather tangled web of jurisdictions. as an example, before 1550 southwark more or less referred to the area comprised of three manors (guildable, king's, and great liberty) and two liberties (paris garden--an area of direct royal control--and the clink, under the jurisdiction of the bishop of winchester). it's not clear which hundred any of those areas fell into. in 1550 the three manors became the city's 26th ward (bridge ward without), though surrey JPs still claimed some jurisdiction there, and st saviour's parish spanned the city's ward and the liberty of the clink. all of which is simply to say that calling southwark 'the borough' is historically accurate, though it doesn't by any means coincide with the modern metropolitan borough of southwark. Ptomng 15:50, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like you have your work cut out. I'm afraid that at the moment, the first sentence is incomprehensible :( -- Tarquin 12:55, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- How is that? Morwen 13:03, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
better. thanks :) -- Tarquin
- I think you left out the area of Southwark Cathedral. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alec - U.K. (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Sarf of the river
Has anyone actually heard anyone else say "[ˈsʌvək]"? --stochata 13:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- Besides the people that live and/or work there? I do feel slightly uneasy about including it, however, since it's certainly non-standard. BovineBeast 11:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that the transform of dental fricatives to labio-dental fricatives was a standard feature of the dialects (and fairly common in esturary English, too). So, I am not sure if you could call it 'non-standard' in the sense of 'uncommon', but definitely not RP :). I think that it might tend more towards unvoiced, and to my ears has sounded rather more f-ey than v-ey, although vocalisation is present (intervocalic as it is). I think that it is just to include local pronunciations, after who has more right to the name? Anonymous Coward 9:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
