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[edit] Why Curaçao and Jamaica?

(Discussion moved here from User talk:Gdr):

I wonder why the "Dutch captured Curaçao in 1634 and the English Jamaica in 1652" is singled out when the Dutch had had bases in the Caribean since 1620 and the British since 1612? Rmhermen 13:01, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

No reason, except that they were significant events that came to mind. Please rephrase or replace with earlier significant events. Gdr 13:07, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction with another Wikipedia Page

HMS Indefatigable (1784):

"In October 1804, Indefatigable, with three other frigates (Medusa, Lively and Amphion with Moore as the senior officer, intercepted a Spanish treasure fleet of four frigates carrying bullion from the Caribbean back to Spain."

Spanish treasure fleet:

"In the 1780s Spain opened its colonies to free trade. The last treasure fleet sailed in 1790."

Clearly both can't be true. MichaelSH 22:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed weird. I could imagine though that regular (e.g. yearly) colonial mining profit fleets (implied by the treasure fleet article) ended by 1790; while the occasional trade transport of gold in a convoy to Spain may have continued. But some clarification is indeed necessary, anyone got a decent source to resolve this? Arnoutf 17:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to continue another article relating to this on the 1715 fleet and the recovery by a number of salvagors including Kip Wagner, Real Eight Company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ray_Osborne

See also Graham Moore, which shows a painting of it. There is an account of it, quoting Moore's logs, at [1]. Regarding the fictionalization in the Hornblower series, in The Hornblower Companion, 1964, Forester says: that the incident really happened, though "on the previous occasion, some years earlier, when the flota was intercepted, the captors shared millions." This suggests that it had happened once before during the Napoleonic Wars, i.e., since 1790. Laura1822 03:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

"In 1790, the Casa de Contratación was abolished." I think that's the clue - that the great regular trade convoys, organised by the Casa, were no more -

We need somebody with some detailed knowledge to sort out this article. For instance, free trade between all the ports of the Spanish empire began at least as early as 1765 - with individual packet ships sailing quite independently of the treaure fleet. The War of Jenkins Ear article states that the siezure of Portebello in 1740 caused a fundamental change in the operations of the treasure fleet - exactly what does that article mean? Finally, the convoys that operated after 1790 - and so appear to contradict this article - were they in fact just specialised ad-hoc convoys for the transport of bullion rather than the general purpose fleets that this article speaks of or were they somehow a continuation of these fleets but in a much reduced manner after the Casa de Contratacion was abolished? 58.84.86.18

The Flota system article should be merged into this article.58.84.104.109 01:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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