Talk:St. John's University (New York City)
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there is a clear bias gong on on this article when it is important to note the series of scandals that have occurred at the university over the years. It is historically important to list these details which are regularly removed from posting whenever mentioned. they are not unfactual information sources have been sited from serveral locations and yet the information is continueally deleted each time. this is blatant misrepresentation on the schools credibility that is represented in the article. this website is a sham!!!!
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[edit] POV tag
Should be up until this weird dispute is resolved. Any article with multiple criticisms inserted in bold, odd claims of the school being notable for the "lack of" various programs, and so on, should be tagged until the issue is resolved. Keeping things to the talk page is no good - the plain visual evidence of a POV dispute, without a warning tag, makes the article (and wikipedia) look kinda ridiculous. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 22:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Apparently, the tag wasn't up because the normal/acceptable version had been reverted to the controversial one. Now, the normal article is up, and the tag thus no longer needed. Huh. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 22:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How can something be famous for a lack of a program?
This same user has been attacking schools, fraternities, and bus companies at Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, St. Johns, and elsewhere. I'm at my wits end. Tfine80 00:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- This is horrible. I wish an admin would step in and remove these ridiculous edits and prevent more edits of this type from happening. ToadX 00:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
That would take away from necessay contributions to the website. Potential applicants should be made aware if a school has a program or doesn't have one.
How about an insert stating that St. John's doesn't have any an Engineering program, Medical Program, and football team.
Bobbydoop 19:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I'm sure there's a lot of things this school does not have. They (probably) don't have a marine biology major. Should we put that? They (probably) do not have a basket weaving class. Should we put that? Should we list everything they don't have? Also, they do have software engineering programs, and MANY schools do not have medical programs or Division I NCAA football teams. Do we need to list this on every school that does not have them? How many other articles about universities can you find that specifically state they do not have these? ToadX 20:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Computer Science and software engineering are very different. Engineering is a major program. Why don't we agree on putting a section that will allow for this or an advisory warning. You aren't protesting the validity of this information. You simply don't like what is being stated. With the civil right's movements many minorities would be interested in knowing the racial atmosphere that exists at the school. Wouldn't you agree? Bobbydoop 22:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- Software engineering is part of computer science. At almost any university, if someone wanted to study software engineering, they would enroll in a computer science program. Engineering is usually split up into many different subdivisions such as mechanical engineering, software engineering, bioengineering, computer engineering, electrical engineering, etc...
- However, you really haven't addressed my reasons for excluding information like this from the article. Ignoring whether the statements are true or not, I am saying that even if they are true, statements like that do not belong in any encyclopedia article about a university. There are many other universities that are more diverse than this one that also don't have those programs. Why don't we just list all the programs that this university does not have? The list would be longer than the rest of the article. Adding information about what programs they don't have is ridiculous. Also, the school is not well "known [for a] lack of medical programs".
- How about this? Since this school doesn't have a medical program, we should write that "St. John's University does not have a medical program." in the medical article. Just because something is true, does not mean it belongs in an encyclopedia article. Like I said before, can you find other encyclopedia articles about universities that state something like this?
- ToadX 00:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Computer science can have software engineering, but that isn't guaranteed. The school is known to not have a medical program. Far away applicants should be made to know this. 24.239.149.9 10:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Universities are comprised of many different programs. While a few institutions are able to offer the maximum array of courses and majors, this is not typically the case. St. John's does not have an engineering program, but neither does Fordham, yet no one would dispute the value of Fordhams academics. Further, even though St. John's lacks an engineering program, it has programs that most universities do not, namely, Pharmacy, Asian Studies, and Actuarial Science. Therefore, a lack of a program is not worth mentioning, and your suggestion that it is a negative reflection of the university is absurd. Would you also make the claim that Princeton has poor academics because it lacks a law school, or that Columbia has poor academics because it lacks a program in Vet Science? Think about it. - TiconderogaCCB
[edit] Constructive editing
When making updates to the article, please take care to incorporate changes made by other users rather than simply inserting a preferred version you may have saved locally. My edits to restore deleted information, correct links, make the text more compliant with WP:STYLE, and categorize the article appropriate have been removed several times. I have no particularly strong knowledge or opinion of the assertions made, but will freely observe that both the version of my text incorporating critical text and the version omitting it have zealously overwritten. The recent pattern of editing may result in this article being locked by an administrator. -choster 00:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC) That's fine. OG from LA
- The main editor who is making these constant reversions is a vandal using an AOL account. If tempers flare, it is from exhaustion with dealing with him. I'm sure the other editors are willing to cooperate with you. Tfine80 03:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Recent edit on 9-2-06 by TiconderogCCB was to update enrollment information and make a small alteration to the opening paragraph.
As an employee of the university, I would not characterize St. John's as an urban campus. The look and feel of the campus is not much like other NY City campuses. The amount of green space is atypical of NY City campuses. It seems more suburban in appearance. Jamesabenson 17:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
While the the actual campus environment may not seem urban, its location cannot be characterized in any other way. You cannot get more "urban" than Queens, NY. The term suburban would better apply to school such as Hofstra or LIU-Post Oak. I think we could agree that the the setting of St. John's is vastly different from either of these two schools. Though I see your point regarding the campus atmosphere, I think the term is being used to describe its location. - TiconderogaCCB 04:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Centers and Institutes
From the article on Oct 2, 2006: "St. John's University also houses several research centers and institutes. Among them are the Center for Psychological Services and Clinical Studies, the Speech and Hearing Center, the Committee on Latin American and Caribbean Studies, the Vincentian Center for Church and Society, and the Institute for Asian Studies."
A more complete list of centers and institutes would also include the following: Reading and Writing Education Center | Center for Community Services | Center for Professional Education | Center for Teaching and Learning | Institute for Biotechnology | Institute for Writing Studies | Italian Cultural Center
17:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Largest Catholic University?
DePaul University already claims to be the largest catholic University with 24.000 students, so may be St. John's is the second largest? 10:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Language altered to "one of the largest" - TiconderogaCCB
