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Contents 1 SAA & SWISS 2 possible/potential future Members 3 statistics 4 Future Members 5 About the cross-ownership 6 Air Canada Jazz 7 Affiliated Airlines

[edit] SAA & SWISS

Are South African Airlines and Swiss now members of the Star Alliance? The article is inconsistent. For example: "August 26, 2005 - Swiss International Airlines and South African Airways become full members. " I can find no reference to this anywhere and the rest of the article suggests they are to join in 2006. --Adam 20:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] possible/potential future Members

Dbinder, you asked if someone could verify those possible future regional members... well, if someone really could they wouldn't be possible future members but future members....

anyway:

as SAS ownes the majority stake in arBaltic and a 49% stake in Estonian Air with whome they have a close coopeartion, so it's very likely that these two airlines will go the way that Blue1 already went and join the alliance as Regional Members.

Air One is very close with Lufthansa and fully integrated in Lufthansa's Miles&More FFP. In fact they are the only fully integrated Airline that is not a Star Alliance member yet. But that seems to be a matter of time.

likely, SIA leaving to join SkyTeam because their routes overlap too much, is there any grounding for such claims?

At the very moment Austrian Airlines ownes a 49% Stake in Slovak Airlines. As the Slovak government is planning to sell off the remaining stake in that airline it is highly likely that Austrian will accquire these stakes. A Star Alliance membership is absolutely possible.

Silk Air is a fully owned subsidiary of Singapore Airlines. I won't comment on that, as I have never heard of them being a candidate for Alliance membership, but doesn't seem unlikely.

Aegean Airlines and Lufthansa started cooperation last year and according to some statements in the German press both airlines seem to be very interessted in Aegean joining the Alliance.

Luxair has strong ties to Lufthansa and Austrian... might not be joining in the nearest future, but would definitely be welcome in the Alliance

Since you removed Qatar Airways from the list of possible members... It's no secret that Star is really interessterd in Qatar Airways. On the other hand Qatar Airways strengthened their cooperation with Lufthansa, ANA and United last year... they are definitely leaning towards Star Alliance.

They are at least as likely to join Star as TAM or SN Brussles etc. to join OneWorld / Malaysia Airlines to join Skyteam

Regards Ota1ffm

When I said verify, I meant that is there any indication that these carriers are interested? Technically, any airline that isn't already in an alliance is a "possible" future member. Dbinder 22:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I have completely removed this section. I think any of them will be welcome back if they have citations, otherwise directly contravene Wikipedia Policy — Wikipedia is not a crystal ball: "Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate." --kjd 23:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved Turkish back to potential. They have not formally been invited to join, so right now they are simply trying to do so. This was the only one with citation, so I haven't restored any other airlines in the potential section. Dbinder (talk) 03:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] statistics

I've updated some of the statistics as per here [1] but don't know where the daily flights number comes from so haven't changed that although I guess it's changed (indeed, I'm sure it will change on a daily basis because flights don't operate every day, so I guess it's an average over a week or so) Iancaddy 15:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future Members

Does anyone have any information as to when the potential/future members would be joining Star Alliance?

Bmaganti 16:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Shanghai Airlines and Air China will most likely join next year. The potential future members are airlines that have expressed an interest in joining but have not formally applied or been invited yet. Dbinder 16:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the cross-ownership

Dear All,

Where can I get the alliances' cross-ownership information?

Best Regards, Woody108

[edit] Air Canada Jazz

Air Canada Jazz should be added as a full regional member. You can see on their planes, it says they are a Star Alliance member. Any comments/suggestions? Dk16 18:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

The are not Star Alliance Regional Members, they are members by virtue of Air Canada. By the same token, airlines like "Austrian Arrows", "Lufthansa CityLine", "bmibaby", "United Shuttle" and other regional airlines aren't listed either. --kjd 21:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

A "regional member" is a small regional airline that is a member, i.e. Adria, Croatia, and Blue1. Other carriers operating as Express, Connection, etc. are not members in their own right, but do offer member benefits. A Chautauqua Airlines flight operating as US Airways Express is a Star Alliance flight, but Chautauqua itself is not a member, for a Chautauqua flight as Delta Connection would be included as SkyTeam. Dbinder (talk) 22:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The Star Alliance website is a "somewhat reliable" source when it comes to judging about who is and who isnt a full/regional member--FMB 13:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Affiliated Airlines

What do people consider an Affiliated Airline? US Airways has America West, United/Ted, but should we include all regional airlines? Ben 05:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if SIA's 100% owned subsidiary, SilkAir is also included as an affiliated airline. There are also other Star Alliance airlines subsidiaries, are they counted as well? Affiliated airline is an airline that is a subsidiary (I believe counted only when 100% owned) of the parent carrier. Terence 16:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Star carriers affilated airlines are not member in the alliance, eg SAS ownes 100% in Blue1 but Blue1 is a regional member by its own. BMIbaby (BMI, low cost carrier) is not with-in the alliance. Many regional airlines operate their flights on wet-lease agreement for the main carrier eg. Lufthansa Regional, but they are still not members. Martin