Talk:State University of New York at Plattsburgh

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Hello All my name is brian and I go to Suny Plattsburgh i love it its an amazing school situated in an amazing spot close to Vt and close to montreal simply amazing Bye

Contents 1 Notables 2 Frampton 3 Questinable NPOV 4 Porn Film 5 Citation Style

[edit] Notables

I added a section on notable people associated with the college. So far it only consists of Tim Robbins. I'll do a little more research and try to find others. --waffle iron 02:55, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frampton

From edit summary:

best citation is album liner notes. 2nd citation I have a photo of the concert poster (should I upload it?). Website reference is best I could find on internet.

I would cite the liner notes. It's a source, it could be cross-checked. --D-Rock (commune with D-Rock) 04:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to cite the liner notes in the article, except as a reference at the bottom of the article as a reference. Is that how it should be done? Also, the liner notes don't mention which building on campus the concert was in. The poster definitley says "Memorial Gym" but I have no verifiable proof that it was moved to the Field House other than verbally from alumni who attended the concert.

Throw the info in there and I'll take care of any formatting issues. --D-Rock (commune with D-Rock) 18:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questinable NPOV

On 8/17/06 this edit[1] added the following text:

Many students choose to attend Plattsburgh State due to it's beautiful scenery, one of the most aesthetic SUNY colleges with it's correlation to Lake Champlain and the nearby Adirondack Mountains. The campus's closeness to many exciting attractions also draws students. The campus is a half hour drive away from the borders of Canada, and another hour to get into the city of Montreal, known for it's vibrant nightlife and lowered drinking age of 18. A ferry to Burlington, Vermont, a popular shopping area with no tax, is also a short 15-minute drive from the campus. A large percentage of SUNY Plattsburgh students are avid skiers and snowboarders, accounting for it's easy access to Whiteface Mountain, the best skiing mountin in the Northeast, just an hour away from the campus. The school is also offers a wide range of expeditienary studies program, offering classes like Rockclimbing and Whitewater Kayaking as P.E. credits.

I went to SUNY Plattsburgh and like to see it in a good light but I must question the NPOV of this text. It's all opinions and it's all made to make SUNY Plattsburgh look great. It's like a school produced promotional brochure. I mean "the best skiing mountain in the Northeast" - How is that even close to NPOV? I think this should be removed. Feedback? [[User:Fifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_University_of_New_York_at_Plattsburgh State University of New York at Plattsburgh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediae Club|Fife Club]] 16:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Porn Film

I'm removing this section. Here's a snapshot. First off it absolutely does not deserve it's own section on this article. That's ridiculous, especially with a Trivia section right next to it. Secondly, it may be anecdotally amusing but it clearly does not meet Wikipedia's standards for significant notability. Please read Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information.

Many much larger student-oriented incidents and events would much better qualify for legitimate inclusion in to this article before this and ya don't see all of them jammed in. Actually, a few of these should be included if citations can be found.

• The St. Patrick's Day Riot of (forgot the year in the 1980's) - this is the reason why the city of Plattsburgh forces PSU to have spring break coincide with St. Patrick's Day. (That would be a good one to include in Trivia if anybody can find the year and a citation)
• Death of a student pledging a fraternity (National news that impacted greek societies both on this campus and others)
• The Cardinal Points disobeying orders to cease printing of an article which named the student responsible for causing a fire in MacDonough Hall (around 1997?) (The Press Republican printed the paper for free that week, may qualify from a historical perspective)

Come on, this porn movie is just historically insignificant tabloid gossip that that will be forgotten and has no real impact on the subject of this article. It is true but still does not belong in Wikipedia. I'm deleting it now. Please post discussion here before reverting it back in and starting an edit war. --Fife Club 18:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Style

Why the exhaustive conversion of all citations from Wikipedia:Footnote3 style to Inline style?[2] Personally I find Footnote3 far more neat and organized. Inline style makes it much more difficult to read the content in edit mode, and as you can see from the Skopp book it does not match with non-cited references. So why do all that work to undo something that worked well (without discussing the changes first)? Fife Club 23:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Footnotes ; Particularily: "An older system using {{ref}} and {{note}} templates is still common. Converting this older system^[1] to the new <ref>...</ref> system can make the references in an article easier to maintain." & "In the old Footnote3 system, links and auto-numbered footnotes pulled from the same counter, which made it difficult to keep the endnotes consistent. With the new Cite.php module, a different issue presents itself: a casual reader might not notice or understand the difference between an external link and an auto-numbered footnote and may be confused, thinking that the numbers are not in order." --Parker007 06:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

And I removed the hidden comment about dead note. Peace. --Parker007 06:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply as to your reasoning. Perhaps this should have been left on your user talk page but since we're already here...

Please note that Wikipedia:Footnotes mentions advantages and disadvantages of each style, but nowhere does it actually promote cite.php as being better or say that Footnote3 should be converted to cite.php. In fact, Wikipedia policy specifically states "seek consensus first, before converting citation styles". I don't feel like getting into an edit war over citation styles but, aside from it being against Wikipedia policy to convert styles without prior discussion, please keep the following in mind before converting other articles: When you convert citation styles without consensus, just because you feel like it, you alienate the editors who are most dedicated to maintaining that particular subject. Editors who have regularly contributed to certain articles are already familiar with the citation style previously used in the article. When you make it harder for those who dedicated editors to keep contributing you risk losing them and their valuable future input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fife Club (talk • contribs) 16:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

If you want to revert feel free, to revert to the old citation method. Peace. --Parker007 05:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)