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Why bother putting their sound, merch, and "go to guy" in the roster as if they are official band members? Aren't they better off in the bio section or maybe even their own category? --Mr. Anon 01:25, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I went ahead and made the changes. Mr. Internet 02:46, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Streetlight Got Robbed 2 Streetlight Got Robbed 3 Keasbey Nights 2 4 Ska is Dead 5 Singular/plural 6 Featured Music Project 7 Internet leaked? 8 Why was my section removed? 9 Help with adding a citation 10 A few things 11 An unofficial 300 member forum encyclopedic? 12 Critical Reception 13 How can I help? 14 The ------- Diaries? 15 Keas Bees 15.1 Request semi-protection 15.2 new album date 16 Critical Reception...again

[edit] Streetlight Got Robbed

What about the release date? Where is the source for that.. that seems to be unnofficial.

[edit] Streetlight Got Robbed

I heard Streetlight's van was robbed and they lost all their equipment (and are practically broke). Is this true/not true?Zombieliving 19:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Entirely true, check their site. I was going to add it to the article but I'm not really that good a writer. Ian Moody 19:48, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Keasbey Nights 2

I am going to defend the use of "Keasbey Nights 2". Victory Records and the band both call it that (in reference to "amazon.com isn't a source"). While the final album most likely will have a different name, i believe it's appropriate to call it KN2 (im going to change it back to Keasbey Nights 2, and maybe explain all that) MPerdomo 02:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, boy. You're wrong on both counts. Victory has it listed as "Keasbey Nights", the band has stated in countless interviews that the "2" is bunk. This is getting reverted. Pushing a button on a camera doesn't make you an expert on Streetlight Manifesto, it makes you a photographer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.2.57 (talk • contribs).

Please try and keep NPOV, too. It doesn't make any band's entry any more informative to have to sift through "Band A is great" or "Band B's fans think they are awesome". Every band's fans think they're awesome. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.2.57 (talk • contribs).

ehhhhhhh its all ska just wait and see yo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.2.98 (talk • contribs).

If you can't be correct, be funny. You guys are doing poorly at both. LOL!!! Drew is an attention whore and has the new CD!!!! Oh, man, that was so fucking funny the first thirty times I heard it, and that totally doesn't make it any less funny, right? Don't let that stop you from posting his screen name so he can feel like he has a friend. Ha! Get it? Me neither. Why? Because it's still not funny. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.2.57 (talk • contribs). I HATE FUN! I HATE FUN! KILL EVERYONE, BECAUSE I HATE FUN! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.50.139.38 (talk • contribs).

I would just like to point out that the Streetlight Manifesto web forum has a thread that is directing readers here with the purpose of vandalizing the article. Please keep an eye out for children with too much time on their hands, and if you're want to edit something for fun, use the sandbox. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.2.57 (talk • contribs).

I didn't make a call for people to vandalize the article, I posted the talk page to show them the controversy over the titling of Keasbey Nights 2. At the forum, there are many people who know the band personally, and can finally get the whole Keasbey Nights 2 debacle sorted out. However, whenever it is linked, people put hilarious vandalism related to inside jokes of the band/forum/SM Fans, such as Drew having KN2, Jeff touching children, and cock. And it appears some ASOB/BTMI! fans had their fun too.

MPerdomo 22:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Just for clarification, in my experience most of the users there are not really children. Especially not the ones responsible for the vandalism in question. Ian Moody 00:34, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, so aside from your request to "take appropriate action" and your battle cry of "Let's pwn", what have you contributed to this article? Worthless (and certainly not hilarious) jokes that six people might get? A pissing contest between you and your message board pals to see who can come up with the worst possible mangling of this article? I'm sure you think you're awesome because you are Streetlight's number one fan or whatever. I bet you have all the sweet inside information on Streetlight Manifesto and all their top secret plans, like what the title of the next record is going to be, and I am also sure that knowing all this inside information makes you feel like more of a man. Just stop.

Sorry, I misspelled "immature human beings". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.2.57 (talk • contribs).

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.142.6.13 (talk • contribs).

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. A while ago, our board greatly expanded the article, adding in a lot of the "love handshakish" information that they were sitting on, because there was a call for everyone who knew stuff to add what they knew. Now there is a huge debacle over the inclusion over "Keasbey Nights 2". Everyone knows that's not what it's going to be called, but that's definitely the working title from everything I have heard, and not just from amazon and the forum. And the members of the board have fun, because it doesn't harm anyone, and the information is usually reverted soon anyways. Oh well, BFD. -MPerdomo 03:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

COCK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.179.88.168 (talk • contribs).

Yes, cock. It's still hilarious. shit, what's the wiki-tag to indicate sarcasm? Ah, fuck it. I'd also like to point out that a certain party who was advocating vandalism of this article has just reverted some vandalism himself. What is the world coming to? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.2.57 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Ska is Dead

It would support this excellent article if the red link to Ska is Dead could be fixed! Punkmorten 20:34, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Singular/plural

is it just me, or is 'Streetlight Manifesto' a singular subject, requiring singular verb correspondence? Someone keeps changing it back to plural verb agreement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonofaresiii (talk • contribs).

It's just you. — Ian Moody ^(talk) 13:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Correct. —Casey J. Morris 17:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. Reverted. — Ian Moody ^(talk) 19:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Why I revert changes to singular:

1. Plural is perfectly valid, see American_and_British_English_differences#Singular_and_plural_for_nouns
2. I wrote most of the current article, and when I did so used British English spelling and grammar (to the best of my ability)
3. Whenever anyone changes the verbs to singular, they only ever change one or two, and leave several other occurances as the plural form
4. They also leave all other spelling/grammar differences in the British form, when Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English clearly states that an article should consistantly use one dialect throughout
5. Singular sounds retarded

— Ian Moody ^(talk) 22:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I only changed sentences where the subject was "Streetlight Manifesto," since obviously "they" should go with the plural. And as for "sounds retarded," to my ear "Streetlight Manifesto are..." is incredibly grating. British English also strikes me as an odd choice for a band from New Jersey, but what the hell do I know? —Casey J. Morris 23:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

It sounds better as singular to me. When things sound awkward either way it's best to just avoid it. KevinPuj

[edit] Featured Music Project

Streetlight Manifesto has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Lead - Comprehensiveness - Sales - Pictures - Audio - References - Format/Style

The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.

• Lead - Needs to be expanded
• Comprehensiveness - Needs organization of info, and expansion if possible; has anyone been influenced by the band?
• Sales - Does not mention sales
• Pictures - Pic under history way too big, need fair use rationales
• Audio - Need more, need captions
• References - Sources don't look comprehensive or authoritative -- can't tell which, if any, were used to write the history section
• Format/Style - Needs copyedit, external links don't all look relevant, no citations for most of history, no content directly under "History"

[edit] Internet leaked?

Is it really proper to have it say, twice, that Keasbey Nights was leaked onto the internet before its release? I mean, that happens with EVERY album nowadays, it's not like it's notable anymore. seinman 15:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why was my section removed?

i added this:

"Trivia - *Track 3, 'Point/Counterpoint' shares it's name with a novel by Aldous Huxley, Point Counter Point. Huxley is considered one of the greatest writers of the 20th century. - *Track 8, 'Here's to Life' references 3 famous writers and artists; Van Gough, J.D Salinger, Ernest Hemingway. The other name mentioned in the song, Holden Caufield is a character from J.D. Salingers book 'The Catcher in the Rye'. - *Track 12, 'The Big Sleep' references Bob Dylan in the second Verse; 'Me and Mr Dylan on the ride home, we had a heart to heart about life, but neither him or me could decide for ourselves if we wanted to outlive that night'."

it's all true, why was it removed?

Because Ian Moody will cry if you mess with his perfect creation. --Mr. Anon 02:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps because this is the band's article and not Everything Goes Numb ;-) —SJHawtin 10:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

As I pointed out in my edit summary, because "this is not the right place for that info". And as SJHawtin mentioned, a much better place would be the Everything Goes Numb article, where in fact you will already find one of those pieces of trivia. — Ian Moody ^(talk) 13:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with adding a citation

Hi, I just added some new information about a Streetlight summer tour with Reel Big Fish and MXPX. I'm new to this site and am not sure how to cite. Here is the link where I obtained this information, thanks. http://www.punknews.org/article.php?sid=17082&mode=thread&order=0 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Someguy1989 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC).

Because this article is using m:Cite.php you can just add <ref>REFERENCE</ref> after the information, so in this case

<ref>Punknews.org interview with [[Aaron Barrett]] [http://www.punknews.org/article.php?sid=17082 link]</ref>

Which I've added it to the article. — Ian Moody ^(talk) 21:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Delano Bommer needs to be added in the beginning paragraph as he is their trumpet player

[edit] A few things

First, I think an explanation of the origin of the band's name would be interesting. I looked around the Internet for it but couldn't find it. Does anyone know(and have a reliable source that confirms) this?

Also, in the section "more line-up changes", it just says May 31 but not which year. I'm assuming that it's 2005 and putting that in.

I changed two uses of "the band are" or "the band were" because the sentences referred to the band as a whole, not individual members of the band. See English collective nouns.

The tour history should also include what role Streetlight played. Did they headline? Open? Only a few indicate this. KevinPuj 02:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An unofficial 300 member forum encyclopedic?

Unofficial Forum should not belong in an encylcopedia because it's unofficial and has few people who visit it. Fan sites should not belong in an encyclopedia and advertising your fan site in wikipedia goes against WP:NOT. You revererted to [1] three [2] different [3] people. It's obvious that the forum is being advertised in wikipedia.--aviper2k7^(talk) 22:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

a) It's not my site. b) It's a follow on from a now dead site that had (if I recall correctly) nearing 1000 members when it went down. c) It is the Streetlight community, even band members and their friends/family visit (though the band members themselves haven't really been active since the early days of the old version). — Ian Moody ^(talk) 23:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

How encyclopedic is an unofficial forum?

"Sticky: Click on the links in this thread or see old men fucking."

My favorite part of this forum that contributes the much needed additional information on the topic. Seariously. This is an encyclopedia.--aviper2k7^(talk) 23:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct. However, Ian Moody is pretty controlling of this article, so don't be surprised if he reverts your edits anyway. That doesn't make it right, just expect it anyway. - seinman 23:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Critical Reception

The critical reception section seems to more of a fan review than a neutral one. Phrases like "When it [Keasbey] was released it did not disappoint" don't really seem to contribute to content of the section. — ShadowHalo

I agree, that section is worded a bit POV and should be changed, but Ian Moody "owns" this article so I guess it's whatever he wants--aviper2k7 21:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Grow up. The original commenter is right, and it seems like a fan review because it was written by one, me. If someone wants to improve it please do so. The other sections could do with improvement also, the history section for example is probably far too detailed and could do with trimming and rewording. — Ian Moody ^(talk) 21:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd change it myself but I'm not sure what the best way to do it would be. Maybe moving the part about selling out shows to a different section and just removing the part about releasing Keasbey? — ShadowHalo 23:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How can I help?

Hey I just found out this article was a featured candidate, and I'd like to help make it one. If there's anything I can do (I don't mind lots of work), just tell me. Thanks.--Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 02:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC) I edited some negative crticism in the end of the criticism section, but I don't know how to do external links. These are the URL's I got the info from: http://www.skaisdead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?*

• t=561&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=4cfc39e921a37c5c899210acb42d8e3a (user submitted opinions)
• http://www.punknews.org/reviews.php?op=reviews&banddirect=Streetlight%20Manifesto (a few reviews with different opinions)--Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 02:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Opinions aren't very encyclopedic. I think it's a bit too POV because it is unsourced, and there isn't really a way to source it. I've never heard them live to be honest, but the comments you added seem to be against WP:WEASEL. "which some claim" is a weasel words. Critisism should always be backed up by a reliable source (not a internet forum), and should be by a professional. That's my two cents. I'm going to remove the statement until it can be verified.-aviper2k7 05:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The ------- Diaries?

The Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution album A Call To Arms EP stated that a new album from Streetlight called 'The ------- Diaries' would be released. Is this the name for the new album or an old name for Everything Goes Numb? Does anybody know?

"The Keasbey Diaries" was always the rumored title for their next album, not for Everything Goes Numb. At least, that's what i've been lead to believe. - seinman 19:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keas Bees

Is the article Keas Bees real? If so, does anyone have any proof that it is? GhostBoy66 23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• I just received my Victory Records press release for the month of February, and the new Streetlight album is indeed titled "Keas Bees". However, the release date is incorrect on that article. The press release states February 13th as the official release date.

This is a hoax. There is not one source to suggest this is remotely true.++aviper2k7++ 03:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not a hoax. It has now been confirmed to be titled Keas Bees by in a recent interview with Tomas Kalnoky. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.34.165.194 (talk) 21:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

This is definitely a hoax, a blog post can easily be forged. 74.101.118.195 01:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read the cited blog, it's pretty obvious that it's a satirical piece. Donbert 04:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request semi-protection

I requested that this page be semi-protected to try to stop the anon IPs from constantly posting fake information about the so-called Keas Bees album. - seinman 18:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Aww, wheres the fun in that?

Wikipedia is serious business.++aviper2k7++ 04:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new album date

from www.streetlightmanifesto.com :

hello. in response to the recent wave of emails regarding the subject, we'd like to announce that our new record is most definitely not coming out today, january 23rd. we're not entirely sure how this date ever came about, and we're flattered that our next release is a matter of interest to at least those of you who have written in asking about today, but today's just not the day. we're taking our time fine tuning and recording, we're not rushing anything and we're certainly not attempting to meet anyone's deadlines. music, at least for us, is not a product or part of a business plan and therefore we cannot give a due date for the record to you, to our label, even to our own friends and families. we are working on the record and it is coming along. any dates mentioned in the future by anyone other than this here website can be written off as speculation and here-say, regardless of the source. thanks for reading and sorry for the confusion.

ps. as we approach the end of mixing, we will be posting snippets of songs here, as well as providing further information about the album and the true identity of bunny's "kidnappers".

why did ian moody take out my part about the other part of the song? what in the world was wrong with it? maybe a few grammatical errors but nothing to take out the whole thing!Digital.unicorn 02:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Critical Reception...again

I changed the end around a bit, to try and make it a little more NPOV per above. If it works, good. If not, change it. Amphytrite 07:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)