Talk:Strong's Concordance
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[edit] Cruden's concordance
Wouldn't Alexander Cruden's concordance be at least as widely used as Strong's? It has been around in various forms since 1737, and was a solo effort --scruss 20:54, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Interesting -- I hadn't heard of Cruden's before you mentioned it. I just did some google searching on the most popular ones: (The same searches without the "'s" at the end had similar results.)
- "Cruden's Concordance" (1737) has 2,780
- "Young's Concordance" (1879) with 943 hits
- "Strong's Concordance" (1894) came up with 24,800 hits
So, it seems that Cruden's is important historically, but not as popular today as Strong's. The biggest advantage of Strong's may be that every word is assigned a unique number, which is not true for the other ones. I found a phrase that showed up on several pages, "Young’s for the young, Strong’s for the strong, Cruden’s for the crude". I don't mean to knock Cruden's concordance though, for its time it was an amazing achievement. It probably is most comparable to Samuel Johnson's dictionary -- you wouldn't want to rely upon it today, but was still an amazing achievement. Actually, maybe there should be an article on biblical concordances, distinct from the concordance article. --Arcadian 00:21, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I'd suggest merging the page on Cruden's Concordance & Strong's Concordanceintoone that is simply called "Biblical COncordances". Then add a paragraph about Young's concordance.
I doubt that the current page on Cruden's Conrdance will ever be more than a stub. Likewise, an article on Young's concordance will neverbemorethan a stub. In a page "Biblical COncordances", one could discuss each of the major concordances in a couple ofparagraphs, then have a sub-section that contrasts them. Cruden's is used by laity, Strong's by clergy.I'm not sure who uses Young's.
Another datapoint is that other numbering schemes could also be discussed,or at least referred to. [Or would it be out of place to point to alternatives to Strong's Numbers, in this article?]
67.136.137.125 19:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Numbering
So... The article states that there are 5624 Greek words in the new testament, but I do not believe that this is accurate. Indeed there are 5624 Strong's numbers for the Greek, however, only words with the same root were numbered, so αγαπησεις appears the same as αγαπατε, for example--both are listed as Strong's #25 "αγαπαω". Even disregarding different stems for these words, however, there are not even 5624 root words, as numbers 3203-3302 are simply not used. See http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRINDEX.htm. I would love to change this to the proper number, but I'm not sure what it is. Raymondofrish 19:30, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I added a paragraph about the issues with number as described above. Raymondofrish 28 June 2005 15:51 (UTC)
Good catch. I did a little more googling and found this and this, which state that word 2717 is also missing, so I've updated the total to reflect that. Interestingly, this source implies that 1418 and 4452 are also missing, but since they weren't noted as such in the concordance itself, I'm inclined to interpret that as less authoratitive. However, it sounds like you're pretty familiar with the subject, and I'm just googling, so by all means if you come up with a better number, put it in. --Arcadian 28 June 2005 16:30 (UTC)
[edit] Goodrick-Kohlenberger numbers?
Should we have a little something about the Goodrick-Kohlenberger numbers? These numbers are like Strong's but are more modern. They were thought up by Edward W. Goodrick and John R. Kohlenberger for the NIV 20 years ago. - Hoshie | 15:56, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Page move?
For what it's worth, I hadn't heard of Cruden's concordance either. Anyway, is it worth moving the Strong's Concordance page to redirect to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible?
I have never moved a page before, so I would like to know what other people think. Michael2 10:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think the page should be moved. In Wikipedia, the general rule is that the name of an article should be what a general reader, not a specialist, would look for. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions. The current name is the best name under that policy. -- DS1953 talk 13:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
OK then, what about the alternative of creating a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible page and having it redirect to the Strong's Concordance page? The reason I suggest it is because two years ago, I had never heard of Strong's Concordance itself. I bought a copy and wanted to learn about it on Wikipedia, so I typed in the full title, but it came up with nothing (I think the search engine technology was different then). To some extent, general readers wouldn't know of the Strong's Concordance title either, and assume that Wikipedia has no information about it. Michael2 10:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
