Talk:Student
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==Alternative of "Freshman"==?
What should be used as an alternative to "freshman" to avoid sexism?? For high school, "ninth grader" is obvious, of course, but how about for college?? As far as I know, my best guess is "first-year college student". Any comments?? 66.245.120.243 14:01, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- There's actually a word, seperate from "Freshman", for a first year college student.--[[User:, I was a fresher. — Chameleon My page/My talk 16:28, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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- Here, it's usually "First Year", "Second Year", etc. Adding "university student" is more formal. Holy sock
- "First Years" are what we call them in NZ. "Freshers" is what they call them in the UK. Both are non-gender-specific... 203.97.255.167 05:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps noting the difference in usage is necessary. It is not our job as editors to make Wikipedia PC, it is our job to make encyclopedic articles. If "freshman" is used in the US, regardless of whether or not you think it's sexist, it should be stated in the article. If "first years" is used in NZ then we should note that as well.
- Here, it's usually "First Year", "Second Year", etc. Adding "university student" is more formal. Holy sock
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- As a side note, would those that claim "freshman" is sexist also claim "human" is sexist? If so, then I'd like to see an alternative. Simply because the word has the term "man" in it does not imply sexism, but certainly it implies that the root of the word comes from long ago when people were conspicuously sexist. -- Noetic Sage 19:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
"Human" doesn't have the word "man" in it (any more than "Socrates" has the word "rat" in it). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] UK higher ed
Just thought I ought to make a note about my change. I removed: "In Scotland, these courses are generally 1 year longer. Scottish school pupils tend to finish school 1 year earlier than in England and Wales, so end up finishing their education at the same time." This is patently untrue, since some Scottish school pupils go to English universities, and vice-versa. Some take a gap-year. Some students start university in their 50s... there is no "set time" for leaving university. Scottish degrees tend to be MAs and English ones tend to be BAs, and this has got mixed up somewhere to mean "Scottish [high] school pupils are given longer university courses"... Taras
Not true: the Scottish MA is broadly equivalent to the English (non-Oxbridge) BA, and is an historical anomaly in that regard. Scottish university education does start at a lower level than that in England; English students with good A-Level results are usually at least offered admission to the second year of Scottish universities, and it requires much higher Highers to go to most English universities than would be required for equivalent Scottish universities.
I removed this tidbit about UK higher education: In the UK, the word "student" generally refers to someone studying at the college or university level. The word "pupil" is used for someone attending compulsory education such as High School. The article already generalises this, and not just for the UK. SujinYH 23:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Third year or above??
The definitions in this article say "first" "second", "third or above", and "fourth and last". Is this a logical sequence?? It doesn't look like one to me. 66.245.105.240 15:18, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- You're right. I've edited the sentence. AJD 03:29, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification of International Student Day
I had to do click past a link to find out the meaning behind it was really based on the Czech republic's actions during World War II. Someone should really be more specific, since it really is mainly a Czech thing. - Kade 00:02, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Description of sentence...
A junior is a student in the penultimate (usually third) year of high school or college.
Please clarify it by changing it to:
A junior is a student in the penultimate (usually third, but sometimes...) year of high school or college. Georgia guy 21:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- It already states 'penultimate', which means second to last. I think that's all the clarification it really needs. --82.37.66.173 00:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Freshman section
I'm not sure how to edit this without ruining the flow of the section, which is after all almost entirely about the US... but the stuff about pledging is largely irrelevant in the UK, where fraternity/sorority system does not exist. Loganberry (Talk) 11:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Is it really a rational thing to talk about how others behave to freshmans in collage? I mean, I was a freshman too but nobody ever did jokes about it. Deliogul 13:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
