Talk:Sunny von Bülow
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[edit] The Auerspergs and the use of von
With all due respect, Thesaunterer, you and the sources are wrong in the regard of the use of von with English titles. As someone with von in my own last name, I know how it is used. If you are going to cite numerous sources, show them, please. The repetition of "Prince Alfred von Auersperg" is analagous to the usage of "Princess Diana". It is flat out sloppy and incorrect. Charles 17:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Although I must defer to your knowledge of the subject, since the article already cited sources for the name, and since you didn't provide anything to contradict those sources, I could easily ask you to do the same thing. Each and every English language print source I have seen lists his name as Prince Alfred von Auersperg. A web search of "Prince Alfred of Auersperg" returns only this website. It would seem the burden of proof is on you.
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/auersperg.html Thesaunterer 21:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Mr Theroff is a royal genealogist and I am familiar with his site. The Auersperg family is relatively obscure so if one of the better known members is incorrectly styled, that error tends to be perpetuated. The practice in royalty and nobility is to match the "ofs" and "ands" to the language of the title which you use. Hence, it is okay to refer to the Comte de Paris, but not the Count de Paris or the Comte of Paris. Similarily, it is "okay" to refer to Alfred von Auersperg but it is sloppy to refer to a Prince von Auersperg or Prince Alfred von Auersperg. Wikipedia is intended to convey accuracy. I am quite sure that you mean well, but chances are people haven't heard of this man in the first place. Therefore, they should be presented with the accurate style. Legally though, in Austria the prince would just be Alfred Auersperg, as von is illegal to use in names in that country. Courtesy dictates otherwise though. Charles 00:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Charles, I understand. Thanks for the additional info.Thesaunterer 22:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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- No need to thank me, thank you! I recently had a not so nice conclusion with another article... It's always a pleasure to be able to discuss matters. Charles 03:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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