Talk:Swedecore

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Removed this "Some believe "Swedecore" bands use terms such as metalcore and hardcore to attract fans, yet play a raw, At the Gates influenced form of melodic death metal."

It's very vague and doesn't not present the opposite side of the opinion spectrum so I consider it POV

"However, its influence is visible in the mainstream, as many popular emo/metalcore bands such as Alexisonfire or Silverstein often tastelessly butcher Swedish metal riffs in order to conform to this musical fad."

NPOV please... I'm no fan but some may actually find taste in a subjective matter such as music.

the distinction, which is drawn between melodic death metal and gothencore is quite vague, as at least one of the mentioned death metal bands (In Flames) uses a lot of breakdowns (as e.g. in the songs Reroute To Remain and Crawl Through Knives). This might be due to Hardcore influences in the Gothenborg style of Melodic Death Metal. Therefore I recommend not to mention the breakdowns, which are indeed often used by Scandinavian Melodic Death Metal bands such as Scar Symmetry and Arch Enemy.

[edit] WHAT????

This may just be me, but swedecore? Three quaters of the bands listed are just metalcore. Some are understandable, but Killswitch Engage have few, if any, characteristics in common with Death Metal. In fact, ALL of the bands can be sorted into either generic Metalcore or Melodic Death Metal —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kung Foo (talk • contribs) 18:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Completely agree here. Swedecore is not a genre. This is just metalcore. I can't believe this page is still here, surely there are people out there who realise this is nonsense? The page also has no citations as far as I can see, probably cos it's mostly made up rubbish. Swedecore? No. Metalcore? Yes.

On a side note, just looked in the genre box thing. Moshcore? Who comes up with this rubbish?Cloudy 20:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I see what u mean about moshcore, Cloudy. Some people just can't accept that some genres have some artistic leeway.Kung Foo 20:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You guys really don't get it. If you look at the metalcore article and the style it describes, it is quite different from this. 'Metalcore' refers to the crossover hardcore/thrash of the 80's, and also to later bands like Hatebreed and All Out War that pretty much blended beatdown hardcore with a Slayer-type thrash influence. None of those bands used any melodic metal elements. The more recent crossover between Swedish metal and hardcore is an entirely different style, and the bands come from entirely different scenes. Unfortunately, since this has become the most popular style of metalcore, a lot of people just use the term metalcore to refer to it, forgetting that metalcore was originally used to refer to a rather different style. Then you have the hardcore purists saying these bands are just metal and the metal purists who say they're just hardcore. Basically, everyone wants the genres THEY listen to to be as precise as possible, but insists on lumping anything they don't like into broad categories. I would have had no problem labeling these bands as metalcore, but for two things. First of all, the metalcore article as it is does not even mention this movement and focuses entirely on the older hardcore bands. And secondly, there are other, much less popular subgenres that still have a page, like deathcore and grindcore. So this page needs to exist. If the problem is citations, put in citation needed tags, or better yet, add the citations yourself. It might however be a good idea to merge this article into deathcore, since that article barely has any content.--Baligant