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Karibu sana kwenye wikipedia ya Kiswahili! Umeanza kwa mbio, tunafurahi!! Ukiwa na swali au chochote cha kuchangia - karibu tu! --Kipala 17:23, 14 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mr Accountable 18:14, 14 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Note 2 Kingston na viungo 3 Japani, prefecture, mkoa, jimbo 4 Majimbo ya China 5 Majimbo ya Japani 6 Vitengo vya utawala 7 Kogi (jimbo) 8 Format jimbo Nigeria

[edit] Note

Vandal 209.106.223.194 (Swara) is on MOREnet in the United States. --Mr Accountable 15:03, 16 Februari 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kingston na viungo

Salaam, naona unaendelea kwa bidii. Nimehamisha makala yako ya Kingston kwa "Kingston (Jamaika)". Naomba ukiendelea jaribu kuangalia viungo jinsi vilivyo na kuhakikisha. Mimi niliacha kosa katika makala ya Jamaika kwa kuweka kiungo cha "Kingston (Jamaika)" katika sanduku la nchi na kiungo "Kingston" katika makala yenyewe. Inatakiwa kuwa "Kingston (Jamaika)" kila safari kwa sababu kuna Kingston nyingi duniani. Kosa ilikuwa langu naomba tu ukiendelea kuchangia hakikisha viungo hivi. Asante --Kipala 20:10, 18 Februari 2007 (UTC)

I've only just started working in Swahili and I think I understand what you are saying: There is more than one Kingston in the world and the category should be "Kingston, Jamaika". I thought about that when I created the category, and I noticed that most of the interwiki categories for the article "Kingston" were simply "Kingston" and not "Kingston, Jamaica". However, as Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya are English-speaking countries, it makes a lot of sense to disambiguate the term "Kingston". Thanks. --Mr Accountable 20:49, 18 Februari 2007 (UTC)

I said that I had made a mistake in the entry about Jamaika by putting "Kingston (Jamaika)" into the country info box and just "Kingston" into the text of the article itself. So the the original mistake was mine. If you like to keep on working on the red links (without entry in place) I would appreciate it very much but it is good to check on it each time because I know that this was not my only mistake. I think you are doing very well for a newcomer to the language! Sasa Kiingereza tosha! Karibu kujitahidi na kuchangia! --Kipala 21:31, 19 Februari 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japani, prefecture, mkoa, jimbo

Hi, I see you still are at the job with a lot of energy. That is good. Please dont be annoyed if I try to channel your energy a bit. Unfortunately your Kiswahili is still unprecise sometimes. You started the Japan administrative structures as "majimbo" and continue with "prefecture". Prefecture is neither Japanese nor Kiswahili so we better don`t use it. About jiombo - we used that so far for the parts of federative structures. If that is not the case in Japan the degree of self-rule is so limited that maybe we are rather use "mkoa". What do you think? --Kipala 15:03, 22 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Well, I created "Aichi Prefecture" and then I stopped creating Mkoa ya Japani/Majimbo ya Japani pages because I couldn't decide what to do about the word "prefecture". Fortunately, you noticed the page and wrote a note. I will defer to your decision and I will move the page to "Aichi" for the time being. Thanks. --Mr Accountable 15:07, 22 Februari 2007 (UTC)

And wouldn't I then move Majimbo ya Japani to Mkoa ya Japani? --Mr Accountable 15:12, 22 Februari 2007 (UTC)

And, when I created Aichi, and Anhui, Gansu, Hebei and the Majimbo ya China pages, I did so knowing that I might have to move them. I do have a lot of enthusiasm, but I can't keep going writing and writing pages that all need to be changed. Nor is it possible for me to write very many one or two sentence stubs, as in Duke Ellington and Miles Davis. Writing Kiswahili is a very good way to learn Kiswahili, but perhaps I have reached a limit of activity here for the time being. --Mr Accountable 15:20, 22 Februari 2007 (UTC)

I propose to move to "Mikoa ya Japani" and put the single districts under "Aichi (mkoa)". That is in line with our other countries so far. Then it would be good if you have the time to change the list accordingly.

Right, Aichi (mkoa). I can change the list accordingly and proceed with "mbegu ya mkoa" for the rest of Japan's prefectures if the Aichi stub looks ok. --Mr Accountable 18:52, 23 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Otherwise I think we appreciate your enthusiasm in our small community. If you are not disappointed that pages get edited soon or moved to some other designation - better. Why dont we cooperate for a small while? For example there are still some Asian countries which have not yet got an article. We have the system of the country info boxes (you copy an Infobox_Country from en:wiki and put it into our sw.wiki. Then it takes a bit of editing and the article has a good start. You can work with an existing sw: Infobox_Country to see the difference. Otherwise you can ask me or Oliver at any time (or any of the other guys when they are around). Then try your luck with the first paragraph which you take from en:wiki or simple:wiki. I usually copy the interwiki links from simple:wiki. After that there is a job for stubs for quite a number of capital cities. What do you think? --Kipala 15:33, 22 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Well, no, I don't get disappointed that my pages are checked and edited - just the opposite; I am pleased that I am able to contribute with a hopefully small amount of mistakes in Kiswhahili. I will try to copy some infoboxes and then follow the example set in your or Oliver's articles - hopefully without any error! --Mr Accountable 18:52, 23 Februari 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Majimbo ya China

Hi, would you have time to go once more thru the list? I noticed a numer of English language links that were copied. I could imagine the following: second colum "Kichina (S)" as either only Kichina or "maandishi ya Kichina"; Colums "pinyin" - do you think they are really needed? If yes I can do the article on pinying (cutting them out would make a nicer table for my eyes); the colum "Liste of county... divisions"- why not just throw it out? Otherwise it has all to be translated. If we get to that level it may be sufficient to list the subdivisions under each province. I personally feel -unless we have an expert on that field- there is still a lot more to do on continental, national etc. levels before we start on chinese district list. Of course you go ahead if you feel its due! I think the list is good (and first level of national subdivisions we need for each country!) but a bit honing is good. (Hope you don`t mind my comments - if so tell me and I shut up, ok?) --Kipala 17:12, 22 Februari 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that the pinyin is tiring for your eyes. I feel very comfortable with written Chinese and I would consider myself expert in Chinese at a sufficient level to write all the province subdivision article stubs, especially as it would be easy Kiswahili practice for me. The only problem, as you said, is that having a Kiswahili Wikipedia with all the Chinese province districts doesn't make sense as there is other work to do. Working with the Chinese districts gives me the practice I need to go ahead and write lists and mbegu for first level national subdivisions for all of Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, which I think is the logical thing for me to think about doing, because of the short length of the makala/mbegu that is required for a first draft article on all the provinces, and also because I like the topic of geography and I feel that it is a good priority for my worktime. --Mr Accountable 19:05, 23 Februari 2007 (UTC)

One priority for me is to have a stub/mbegu that is more or less free of errors, so that when I decide to work and go ahead and write each prefecture or Sudanese province or Brazilian state, I have the right terms - jimbo, mkoa, or other words - (such as Witafa?) - used by countries such as Nigeria etc. If I can check an article with you or Oliver I can then go ahead and write the full set of stubs. I certainly don't mind going through the lists more than once, but it would be good to get a correct version before I start writing. --Mr Accountable 19:05, 23 Februari 2007 (UTC)

I am also thinking to remove the Japanese mkoa symbol links, of which 3 are now uploaded. If there is time I can go back and do it later. Let me know what you think. --Mr Accountable 19:09, 23 Februari 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Majimbo ya Japani

I went a bit thru that list. I think once you put in all the symbols it will be of suitable width. I took out the links for which there is no article yet or where it is of doutable usefulness (linking headings like "miji", "Density" etc). I did not put the explanation for the different types of prefectures (to, do, fu, ken). Remains only to move the whole thing to "Mikoa ya Japani".

[edit] Vitengo vya utawala

Now about administratives structures. All this is a bit trial and error. Our main weakness is that we hardly have anybody on board actually living in Tanzania where these points can be discussed in Swahili. I propose the following categories:

Jimbo (majimbo) - for provinces or federal states in federations / federal republics (South Africa, Nigeria, USA, Russia, Germany...) - for Russia I try jamhuri za shirikisho for the republics within the Russian Federation.

Mkoa (mikoa) for larger administrative regions (like the Japanese "prefectures", French departement). I would stick to these generally in unitary states even if they have been given some degree of self rule. A point to debate would be Spain where decentralisation has reached a point that some mikoa are so powerful much more than majimbo in many Federal Republics so that for Spain maybe Jimbo is more appropriate.

As for China, Jimbo might be appropriate insofar as many provinces there have a long history, and some have their own language, such as Sichuan, Guangdong and Fujian; some are non-Chinese; the PRC government has been moving from a pre-technological state of provincial independence towards a high-tech era unified China--Mr Accountable 13:04, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

I would agree that jimbo can be the right term for "imperial provinces" even if there is nothing federal about it. I see this more with historical articles or sections.--Kipala 14:41, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Non administrative regions like in Japan (grouping several mikoa) or such levels with little influence lets call kanda.

Kanda seems like a good term to use for the Federal Districts of Russia.--Mr Accountable 13:04, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

With the highly differentiated levels of the Russian system it may be helpful to use sometimes the Russian terms like Oblast, Okrug etc and to explain them in the text. That can even helpful for other countries.--Kipala 14:41, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Oh no; I just meant the 7 or so big Federal Districts - Central, Southern, Far East, Ural, Volga, Northwest, Siberia, I believe the list is. --Mr Accountable 18:03, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

The level below mkoa is wilaya ( a district, county, Landkreis etc.). In some countzries it may be a matter of taste to differentiate between both specially if there is only on level beyond central government. Then also countries where "wilaya" is a local language with a different connotation from what I am proposing here.

In looking at West African countries in the Wikimedia Commons' Atlas, I found different terminologies including "wilaya".--Mr Accountable 13:04, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

There is an article on wilaya; in East Africa it is a smaller unit; the original tradition in Islamic government was something like a "province" so rather like jimbo or mkoa. --Kipala 14:41, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Mji - miji would be town or city. A large city (more than a million people?) is jiji. For urban agglomerations I have tried to coin "rundiko la mji" (that is a trial...).

Would "Rundiko la mji" apply to Khartoum/Omdurman and/or Southwest Nigeria? --Mr Accountable 13:04, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Yes, surely. if you put "rundiko" into the "tafuta"-window on the left you get a numer of articles where I used it. --Kipala 14:41, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

Lower levels are tarafa and mtaa/mitaa. Mtaa is not very clear because it is also used for a street as well as for a smaller district / area within a town or city.

Kijiji/vijiji is a village. So far. I try to make an article of it some day. --Kipala 23:09, 23 Februari 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kogi (jimbo)

Angalia masahihisho humo - kindly have a look at corrections in this article and go thru your edits (singular - plural forms, noun class)--Kipala 21:08, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Format jimbo Nigeria

Kindly have another look at Kaduna (jimbo). So far we have used a different format from en:wiki for placenames that need clarification by adding the country: "Giwa (Nigeria)", siyo "Giwa, Nigeria" . A list also look nicer and is easier readable if its vertical.

You can correct that quite easily by copying the wiki:edit-screen in to your word processor (Word?) and go by "replace"-commands: replace ", Nigeria" by " (Nigeria)". Then get it vertical by replacing (in MS Word) the comma of your layout by "^p*" which puts in the line breaks.

If you want to get the repeated Nigeria out of sight I edited twice: A) "*Giwa" , put both versions into columns in a spreadsheet (like Excel) side by side, copy them via a simple text editor (like microsoft editor which is on each Windows computer and instantly reduces everything to pure text, erasing column marks except the tab or html-codes ) again to word processor then take out the tab via "replace" and have the whole set ready for copying into the weeki-edit screen.

As for the maeneo ya utawala: these have around 200,000 inhabitants - you might call them a mkoa or wilaya already, I think (could leave it also as it is..). But it is good to add the local Nigerian English designation. --Kipala 21:49, 24 Februari 2007 (UTC)