Talk:Tennessee Titans

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[edit] Unreferenced

Hello, I commend the work that has gone into both this article and 2006 Tennessee Titans season. However, these article are completely unreferenced and I have tagged them as such. Articles on Wikipedia need to compley with WP:V and WP:RS. Please add some sources to this article so it does not get deleted. Thanks and keep up the good work. Johntex\^talk 16:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• So the external links aren't good enough? Just asking. - Desmond Hobson 00:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Just playing for the team does not simply make one notableInvisibleman5108026 07:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oilers/Titans split?

Shouldn't the Houston Oilers and the Tennessee Titans be split into seperate articles? I think the two seperate incarnations of the franchise shoule be recognized individually. We could have the Houston Oilers still around as a historical article, much like what other sports articles do already. Dknights411 15:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Some teams may have split articles, but some others don't, such as the Atlanta Braves. Might be a good idea to list some of the teams that do and don't, so we can have some comparisons to look at. - BillCJ 15:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

No, I do not want to revisit this problem again from a couple of years ago concerning NFL team pages. Hockey has their own ways, baseball has a very inconsistent policy, and the NFL articles are treated differently. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Considering the Braves history is all on one page, you're supporting a split then, as the the Braves are MLB, and the NFL is different? - BillCJ 00:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I support the opposite of the hockey articles: no split. As for the baseball articles, I cannot make heads or tails what the exact policy is due to the AFD discussion I cited. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

THanks for the clarification. I don't know the guidelines for any of the league projects, including the NFL. But yes, if the NFL project has a no-split guideline, we should abide by that. - BillCJ 01:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. AFAIK, among the four major North American sports leagues, NFL teams are merged, NHL are split, but MLB and NBA are inconsistent. I know that New Orleans Jazz is currently a disambig page. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to respectfully dissagree with your opinion Zzyzx11. I personally believe that different incarnations of a franchise's own history deserve their own article. Otherwise, we would be disrespecting that part of the team's history, as I feel this article does with the Houston Oilers. If anything else, these types of articles should be split for historical purposes, not just for football, but across the entire spectrum. Dknights411 02:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's a few thoughts that crossed my mind: Based on a point raised on the Expos deletion discussion I mentioned, what is your criteria to define each seperate incarnation? Is it purely by location? Should content from Houston Rockets be split to San Diego Rockets? Should content from New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets be split to Charlotte Hornets? Separate articles for the Vancouver Grizzlies, Minnesota Lakers, and the San Diego Clippers?

If it is purely by location, then how would you split something like Boston Patriots from New England Patriots, or split Decatur Staleys from Chicago Bears? Since both the Patriots and the Bears articles are currently Wikipedia featured articles, then if they are split, can you give assurances that they will not suffer the same fate as the Thunderball article when it was split?

And what about the unique situation of the Cleveland Browns? I know that one user suggested that there should be a seperate page for "Cleveland Browns (1946-1995)". I am not sure that the users who wrote the "Seasons" section of Template:Cleveland Browns regard it as seperate incarnations. For that matter, I am not sure about those who have edited something like Template:New England Patriots seasons, Template:Indianapolis Colts, Template:Kansas City Chiefs, Template:Chicago Bears, Template:Arizona Cardinals, Template:Saint Louis Rams, or some of the other similar templates that have been created.

Going back to the Patriots and Bears articles, because of the need to get them to FA status, content was split to History of the New England Patriots and History of the Chicago Bears, respectively. History of the Indianapolis Colts, History of the Kansas City Chiefs, History of the Arizona Cardinals, and History of the St. Louis Rams now currently exist too. What do you want to do about them?

And I do not see how it is "disrespecting that part of the team's history" when it is the same franchise. The official web site of the Titans also lists the entire history of the franchise from its 1959 inception as the Oilers.[1] Many of the official NFL references I have or seen do as well. To me, that comment seems more like an emotionally, POV comment (like from some of the users I have encountered who are still upset about the Colts moving to Indianapolis) than a NPOV, logical one. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess my biggest concern has to do with the fact that ever since the Patriots and Bears articles became FAs, and Chicago Bears seasons became a Wikipedia featured list, a number of Wikipedians have begun to model other NFL team articles after them. Not only the articles themselves, but also related categories, templates, and subarticles. As a result, these pages have begun to evolve very differently than the MLB, NBA, or NHL articles, templates, and subarticles (of course, the Titans pages have not been worked on yet). Currently, Colorado Avalanche#Seasons and records only lists the seasons since they started playing in Denver. If Chicago Bears seasons were split at the point where the Decatur Staleys moved to Chicago, I am not sure how that would effect its FL status. Also notice that Indianapolis Colts seasons is currently modeled after Chicago Bears seasons, starting "from the dawn of the Baltimore Colts team in 1953 to present." Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Using your examples, I would actually say yes to a split of those articles listed (although I would want to get a concensus for the Browns scenario). My arguement is taht articles should be based upon incarnations, not franchises. I would agree to having seperate articles for the Vancouver Grizzlies, the Minneapolis Lakers, even the Seattle Pilots, since they all would highlight a chapter in that franchise's life, no matter how big or small it may be. I understand your use of logic in this sense, but as you yourself noted, there are a lot of emotional attatchments when talking about sports teams, like the Colts or the Expos when they moved. Being too logical in this sense might alienate some of the older fans still bitter from the move. I guess it is just me, but I strongly feel that logic can only take you so far in these cases. It wouldn't hurt to have a seperate Houston Oilers article, wouldn't it? Dknights411 23:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)