Talk:The 13th Warrior

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i've never actually seen the movie but i've done some wondering in the woods and as my friends seem to say is that this movie has a cross or a tower of some sort on a hill, and i saw this structure out in the woods in campbell river, bc. could anyone verify. i would have grafitied it but a bear fell asleep beside our cooler —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.66.188.94 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

There is a tower on a hill, its a watch tower. it has a bell for warning the people in the village below.i don't know what you saw in the woods, but i have to say that its pobably not that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manwithbrisk (talk • contribs) 10:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 preman or berserkers? 2 Arabic/Persian? 3 Mattcolville 01:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC) 4 Fantasy? 5 The "language" scene

[edit] preman or berserkers?

it has been repeatedly stated that the band of 13 is fighting a group of long hidden neanderthals. but i might make mention of the fact that they do bare(no pun intended) a striking similarity to the viking berserker gangs that, commonly wore the skins of animals, primarily those of bears and wolves, and no armor. i seems likely to me that these men could be a very deranged sect of an already mysterious and crazed warriors, rather than an aborant group of preman beings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manwithbrisk (talk • contribs) 10:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Where do you get references to Berserker "gangs"? I've never seen mentioned other than as individuals, or at most pairs or trios, and in that case, always in the service of a noble chief. Also, maybe the berserkers wore animal pelts (no certitude there) but the wendols are far too well disciplined or organized to have any likeness to berserkers, not to mention that they show neither the battle frenzy, invulnerability, or other traits specific to the Odinic fighters. Their portrayal in the movie as neanderthals is beyond doubt. --Svartalf 12:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Except of course for their possession of domesticated [spoiler]s :).

From Berserker: "Going berserk — berserksgangr or berserkergang — could also happen in the middle of daily work. ..."

—wwoods 16:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic/Persian?

In a few places, the main character Ibn Fadlan is described, in a historical context and in a movie context, as speaking or writing Arabic, i.e. "The frame story is adapted from the tenth-century Arabic writings of Ibn Fadlan" and "The language barrier is awkward, as Ahmed only speaks Arabic"--but coming from Baghdad, wouldn't Ibn Fadlan be Persian? I'm afraid I don't know anything about the languages to tell them apart, and the Wikipedia entry for Ibn Fadlan as a historical figure does not shed any light on the topic. And it's very late, so I don't really have the time to research it. :P

I just had figured Ibn Fadlan to be a Persian, not an Arab. Antonio Banderas certainly fits the part physically better. And as I recall, he fights with one of the Norse swords ground down into a shamshir...

--Kuronekoyama 07:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hold a minute, Baghdad is in Iraq not Iran. Mesopotomia is a Semestic people and civilization, Persia is Indo-European One. Persia took over mesopotomia after the decline of the neo-babylon empire, and kept invading it whenever they were pushed back, until about the 7th century when they were finished. -daniel

[edit] Mattcolville 01:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the odd "Anne Bancroft" reference, as the role of "Oracle - Old Woman" is credited to "Turid Balke" in the IMDB.

[edit] Fantasy?

Why is this film in the fantasy genre? It's about an Arabic fellow and a buncha Norsemen beating off more Norsemen in a disappointingly prosaic manner. Jachra 02:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a re-imagining of Beowulf. The Wendol aren't a literal "fire-dragon", but they aren't "Norsemen" either.

—wwoods 03:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

...it's a reimaginaing of Beowulf? I've seen some pretty sad reimaginings in my time, but this... ;D Wh well. Irregardless, name for me why it should be in Fantasy instead of Historical Fiction. Jachra 00:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The movie has almost nothing to do with history. What little shreds of historical fact there were in Michael Creighton's work are obliterated, from the moment they are set upon by "Tatars" - who didn't appear on the scene until 3 centuries after ibn Fadlan. This is purely a fantasy work. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "language" scene

I'm surprised nobody has included anything about the pretty famous scene by the campifre when the main character begins to understand the conversation of the vikings. It is quite notable.--Energman 11:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)