Talk:The Abandonment Of The Jews

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I doubt this book deserves its own article; it is only one of many on the subject and it is quite dated. Newer books take very different points of view, for example, Saving the Jews by Robert Rosen (2006). --Mfalick 22:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This book is a possible source for use in other articles, but I don't think it deserves an article of its own. I'll hold off nominating it for anything, though, until I see what others have to say about it. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 17:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

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• • • It is an important book by itself. There are many articles about books. Zeq 03:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge to Holocaust article

I've proposed merging this article to Holocaust#Who knew about the killings? There is no indication in this article as to why this book is notable. The subject of the book is already covered in the Holocaust article, and I see no reason to keep a separate article on this book. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 12:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The book is very notabel. It has over 17,000 mention on google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22The+Abandonment+Of+The+Jews%22 Zeq 12:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not Google. Please explain in encyclopedic terms why this book deserves an article. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 13:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It is notable book (so many mentiones on the web) and important one. Hence it has encyclopedic value. Zeq 13:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

So, explain why it is notable (and 17,000 Google hits does not explain anything). -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 13:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

There are many articles about it (including in IHT and NYT) I found out about it in a TV documentary. How many books do you know that a TV documentary was done on them ? If it was not notable it would not be mentioned 17,000 on the web. Zeq 14:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

But, what is it about the book that would lead to articles being written about it and a documentary produced about it? Without that information there is no encyclopedic content, and thus no article. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 15:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

How does some book becaome notable and othrs do not ? How do i know. All I care is that this book is notable enough to apear ion the web 17,000 times , to have many articles on it etc... - I don't ask how. Zeq 19:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me put it this way: What is the book notable for? What has been said about it? The article as it stands looks like a cut and paste from a dust jacket blurb. So, what has been said about this book in reputable published sources? What sources were used for what has already been put in the article? If you cannot tell me why this book is notable, then how can you write an encyclopedia article about it? Seventeen thousand Google hits indicates that the book probably is notable, but you can't write an article that says nothing more than that the book is notable because it gets 17,000 Google hits. Most of those Google hits are stores selling copies of the book. Other sites are blogs. There are reviews of the book on-line, such as [1] and [2], which would be usable sources for an article. But many books are reviewed, and not all deserve an article. You need to find material published by reliable sources that discusses the impact of the book and the controversies surrounding it. Otherwise, it is just another source for articles related to the Holocaust. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 20:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the whole concept of the abandonment of the Jews should be an independent article, but the book, perhaps not. I will put up a mergeto flag this discussion. Valley2city 23:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)