Talk:The Aquabats

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Contents 1 Rewrite 2 Cadet userbox? 3 Exclamation mark in name 4 Adam Diebert or Adam Deibert? 5 Orange County musical groups category

[edit] Rewrite

So, I basically rewrote & restructured the whole article. It hadn't had a thorough update in what looked like almost 2 years (several references to Charge!! as "new"/"latest") so it was in need of a major review. I also redid a lot of categories to make it conform more to the format of typical band articles. Below are some of the major changes:

1. Band history: The article was missing a decently detailed band history/bio so I created one. I feel it's thorough enough without overloading on unnecessary detail, but if you want to enhance it, especially with references, then by all means do.
2. Discography: I redid the discography in table formats with different categories and artwork. I feel it's much better presented now.
3. Mythology & Cadet sections: I redid these. Basically they either sounded promotional or were overly detailed. For example I narrowed down the lists of enemies & allies into a half dozen or so of the most notable ones contained within a paragraph about the mythology. This reads better & doesn't overburden the reader with relatively insignificant details.
4. Cleaned up the talk page: Remember that this is a forum for discussing the article, not general and/or random stuff about the band. Go to the band's website & join the message board for that (believe me, it's more fun). Also removed some old/outdated topics.

I'm not done updating the article quite yet; there are still some things I'm going to add such as images, etc. and I'm going to review/update all the album & member articles as well, but there are a few things I could use help with:

1. Doctor Rock: Does anybody know his real name? All the other members are accounted for but his real name isn't listed in any credits that I could find, so he's kind of a loose end in the article.
2. References/citations: There weren't any before, and I didn't add any now. Basically I'm a grad student who writes research papers all the time and I'm sick of referencing everything. I write for Wikipedia for fun so I don't feel a pressing need to use citations. I've been following the Aquabats since about '97 and I'm sitting here with all the albums & lots of other related materials in front of me, so I feel fairly confident that I know what I'm talking about. However if you want to enhance the article with referenced material then that sure would make it better.
3. A decent band image in the infobox: It needs one! Preferrably one with the current lineup. Note: a lot of editors/admins don't like the use of promotional photos and will probably delete it if you upload one, so it would probably be much better if somebody with a good live shot would upload it to Wikimedia Commons and then put it in the article.

IllaZilla 08:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, one other minor thing: I added album titles & links to the lineups table, to show the reader what the lineup was at the time of each release. The problem is that the table formatting reads the exclamation points in Charge!! as cell\column breaks and screws the whole thing up. I left it as is for now, but if anyone out there is really good at wiki formatting and tables and can fix this issue I would much appreciate it. IllaZilla 09:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• OK, that's been fixed. Thanks Super Rad! IllaZilla 20:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The Robot joined in 1996. This is illustrated when viewing the DVD, songs performed on the 2nd disc show 1996 as the year of performance with The Robot playing with them.

[edit] Cadet userbox?

This contradicts what I said above^ since it's not technically about the article, but is there a userbox for cadets? If not we should totally have one, and I might try to make it. IllaZilla 16:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I made an Aquabats userbox for myself. It's not a cadet-specific one, and it's not very cool:

I wanted to use the bat logo, but that would violate copyright... Someone that actually knows what they're doing should make one. Super Rad! 05:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

How would it violate copyright? Logos qualify as fair use. I don't think The Aquabats would care. --Lyght 00:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Most logos would qualify as fair use in articles describing the subject of the logo, but not for purely decorative uses like userboxes. It wouldn't fall under fair use and doubtless an admin would delete the image. However, if we used a free image from Wikimedia Commons or some piece of Aquabats imagery that's not copyrighted, then I think it would fly. IllaZilla 05:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exclamation mark in name

I dispute that it's part of the name. Consider The Aquabats vs. the Floating Eye of Death! : if it were an integral part of the name, it would be after "Aquabats" there too. Rather, I think the more obvious explanation is just that they like exclamation marks. So in only just so happens that when the band name appears alone (such as on their official site) it is always with an exclamation mark after. — Saxifrage ✎ 07:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

no. it's part of their name. just because its not used in one album title (out of many) is not much of a reason. other than that album it's used just about everywhere! (including albums, stickers, websites, myspace pages, etc. --GURT 07:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It appears to be a stylistic device, not part of the name. Since nowhere do they say which it is explicitly, if they're being inconsistent we get to choose. Precedent in naming articles is to go without extra punctuation and stylistic devices, since it makes the article harder to read and looks unprofessional. If it's preferred by fans, that's no reason either since Wikipedia isn't in the business of doing fanservice. Besides, nowhere else includes the exclamation in the name: look them up at Last.fm, Pandora, or Musicbrainz. — Saxifrage ✎ 20:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a stylistic device. It is how the band spells their name. It appears with the exclamation point more often than not. It has nothing to do with fan-service. last.fm and pandora are not a source of definitive information and MB data changes constantly. This band has an exclamation point in their name and so do other bands with wikipedia articles. --GURT 21:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

But again, they're inconsistent so we get to pick. — Saxifrage ✎ 20:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if we get to pick, how about we start a vote on it? I despise redirects, and I think it should stay "The Aquabats" because few people are going to type the exclamation point. --Lyght 20:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, I don't think the exclamation point needs to be there. The spelling with the exclamation point usually only shows up in their logos. I say we vote on it. --Lyght 22:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I would say it's a toss-up. On every album except the first (Return) it's written as "The Aquabats!" with the exclamation point. It's also written that way on almost all of their merchandise. So if punctuation counts as part of the name (ie. Panic! at the Disco, Fenix*TX, Against Me!) then it should be part of the name here, for consistency's sake. Personally I agree that people searching for the Aquabats aren't likely to type the exclamation point in the search criteria box, so it really makes little difference. I'm personally happy without it and I left it as just "The Aquabats" in my recent rewrite. IllaZilla 08:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Diebert or Adam Deibert?

There isn't an Adam Diebert/Deibert article yet, so I'll ask this here.

I've noticed some disagreement on the spelling of "Prince Adam's" last name. In The Return's liner notes, it is spelled "Adam Diebert," but The Fury's liner notes lists him as "Adam Warren Deibert." Likewise, the Yo! Check Out This Ride EP was "Produced, Engineered and Mixed by Adam Deibert" and recorded at the "Deibert Ranch Studios." However, on Bikeride's website, [1], it is again spelled "Adam Diebert."

Perhaps most interesting is that IMDB lists Adam's name differently on the same page ([2]) for working on Yo Gabba Gabba! He is listed for Muno's voice as Deibert and for making music as Diebert . Super Rad! 05:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I just bumped into this website: http://www.callsoundcallnoise.com/. If Adam is "Adam Deibert" on his own website ([3]), "Deibert" must be the correct spelling. Hopefully. Super Rad! 05:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orange County musical groups category

I created a new category, Category:Orange County musical groups, which is a subcategory of Category:California musical groups, and the Categorization guidelines say, "Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory." It also says, "For example Golden Gate Bridge is in Category:Suspension bridges, so it should not also be in Category:Bridges." Since suspension bridges are a subdivision of bridges, and Orange County is a subdivision of California, The Aquabats should be part of the Orange County musical groups category, not the California musical groups category. User:IllaZilla re-added the California category after I replaced it with the Orange County one, but I reverted it, and then IllaZilla reverted my edit. I am going to revert it once more because I am trying to follow Wikipedia guidelines. Please do not change it again. It's an edit war and I don't want to get scolded for it and wind up getting the article locked. --Lyght 06:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying, and I understand the reason for it. I don't mean to start an edit conflict. My point is that the "Orange County" subcategory may not be the most correct one to use here. The band originated in Huntington Beach, which would be a further and more specific subcategory from Orange County (as HB is a specific city within OC). However, as the band's lineup has changed over the years, their geographic categorization changes too. "Orange County" I think would describe about the middle of their career, as most of the members in that period were from various cities in Orange County and other counties in southern California. However I believe they are now based in San Diego, which is both a different county and city, but several of the members live in other parts of southern California (Ricky, for example, is originally from Riverside, yet another city and county). So if you want to be specific then "Huntington Beach" would be their point of origin, but "California" or "southern California" would be a more appropriate categorization for their current status. In either case I feel that "Orange County" is not the correct choice. Also, 2 minor reverts and a category disagreement are nowhere near enough to constitute an edit war or get the article locked. We can easily settle the disagreement here. IllaZilla 06:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no Huntington Beach musical groups category, and I don't think there are enough musical groups from Huntington Beach with a Wikipedia article to necessitate a Huntington Beach musical groups category. The category for San Diego and Los Angeles musical groups contain musical groups throughout their own respective counties. And the musical groups category is meant for wherever the band formed. I understand that you want to include all the members' hometowns, but you can't, for example, say The Aquabats are an Idaho musical group just because Christian Jacobs is from Idaho. --Lyght 19:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)