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Contents 1 Chart positions table 2 Singles 3 Recording 4 Archive 5 I Don't Love You 6 Copyedit 7 Second Failed GA Attempt 8 WHAT THE HECK??? 9 I Don't Love You -- UK only? 10 Single 11 Teenagers 12 Platinum? 13 References 14 MCR VS> BEATLES

[edit] Chart positions table

What happened to the table showing the peak positions of the album and total record sales?--Sadistic monkey 09:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was agreed on that we were to delete it. Mcr616 19:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It was agreed upon not on this talk page but I believe on WP:MUSIC or something. They talked about the tables and agreed not to use them.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singles

I did see a source for I Don't Love You as the next single, so we should leave it up there. If you want to see the source, look on the I Don't Love You talk page for a link. Mcr616 15:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I placed this comment on the "I Don't Love You" talk page: Even though it is highly speculated and it is most likely "I Don't Love You" is the next single based on some of the sources none of those are reliable sources. Myspace cannot be used and the MTV one has been agreed upon as not reliable. We should wait for word from the band. I am removing the information.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 22:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I see your point. Mcr616 21:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Even though we know they filmed a video for it this weekend, it still doesn't count as a single until we hear a release date for the single itself. They could see the final edit of the video and decide they want to start over with a new song instead. MJB12 00:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

But someone added it anyway without it being discussed first. MJB12 22:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It keeps happening, I'd revert it until we have a source to create an article.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 22:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the source on "I Don't Love You" for the single. It was a picture saying that Gerard and Marc Webb were on the set for "I Don't Love You", however it does not say that is to be released as a single. I'm not even sure if the source provided was even reliable.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 23:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I just got an email from MCR saying this: 'I DON'T LOVE YOU' - THE NEW SINGLE - COMING APRIL 2ND O7 - I think its safe to say it can be added. ;) Vality 02:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

However there is still no source.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

...do you want me to forward you the email then? Its official, the email was from MCR. Vality 10:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I have the email as well, however it cannot be sourced since not everyone can access it and you cannot use a Myspace link either.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

i think we all have the email. i hope it is the next single 203.171.84.140 00:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Well regardless of what you think, even if the email said it, we still have to wait. Mcr616 20:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recording

Just to let everyone know, somehow along the way, the info about The black parade being called the Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance and all that other stuff got removed. So yea. icelandic hurricane #12 _(talk) 15:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

If we find a source we can readd it. I know it was originally called that but at this point in time anything wanting to be added I think should now be added with a source.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It was never originally called that, Gerard has stated in several interviews that they called it that as a joke and someone in the record company thought it was real and accidently leaked it. So no, it was never a real title :) --Yunaresuka 01:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I found it mentioned in tbp special edition box set thing and says "the album was co-named The Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance". It also mentions that one of the earliest titles for the album was The Fall of the Damned", so I think that should definetly be added. icelandic hurricane #12 _(talk) 14:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, well if you have a source then go ahead and add it in an appropriate section.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see it, but if you have the source then definetly add it. Mcr616 15:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

How do u source an unnamed book? icelandic hurricane #12 _(talk) 21:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm..Interesting question. I don't know the answer to that one. Mcr616 20:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

Anyone think we should archive the talk page again? Mcr616 15:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably. icelandic hurricane #12 _(talk) 21:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, done.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I Don't Love You

So it's been confirmed as a single? Mcr616 19:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes it definetly has, though I don't have a source at the current moment.--Sadistic monkey 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It has been confirmed but there is no source. It has been confirmed for a little but there is no source that is why I was hesitant to add it.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

K. I was seeing it everywhere so I figured there must have been a press release or something... Mcr616 15:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I Don't Love You has been released on My Chemical Romance's Myspace, and thier YouTube site. So It has been confirmed. The set dat for it to be released on Tv is April 2, 2007. But currently the video has been released on the internet.

   -MCRluvr 02:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit

This article, or a portion of it, was copyedited by the League of Copyeditors in March 2007. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. Copyeditor(s): Moralis 22:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Proofreader: Galena11 20:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Wewt. I'm going to look over the article a couple more times and may be resubmitting for GA status. --Moralis 22:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• Please see edit history for new ref tags and issues/questions (in hidden comments). Galena11 20:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
• Confused as to need for a citation in the intro after the sentence on critical performance. This sentence is more or less a summary of the "Reception" section below; perhaps a (see below) would be more appropriate? I dunno. I guess I'll just copy a ref or two from below. --Moralis 20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd say just to remove it. I'd think a (see below) would interupt the flow of the article. Maybe I just can't see what you're talking about though.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Failed GA Attempt

I've failed this article for GA status. There is no information about how the album was produced (only a list of groups it sounds like/was influenced by). The lead does not properly summarize the article; the detailed information about sales, certification, and chart performance belongs in a section in the main article. The reception section is incredibly choppy, with some paragraphs that are only one sentence long. ShadowHalo 03:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

This reviewer appears to have broader problems with the article than the last one did, despite major changes in the meantime. I'm a little irked, but okay. --Moralis 04:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

To clarify a few of my comments, 3(a) of WP:WIAGA says that "it addresses all major aspects of the topic". There's currently information about who has influenced the band but no information about how it was actually produced, which is a major aspect of the album. When I say "main article", I mean that the lead is supposed to summarize what comes after the table of contents so that someone can read the lead and have a good idea of the album. Although it may be good to mention how the album sold overall, details about chart positions and sales belong in a section after the table of contents. Regarding having separate quotes in separate paragraphs, I don't think that applies here at all. I've seen that in fiction before (maybe even in non-fiction), but there is nothing in the WP:MOS that recommends that quotations be contained in separate paragraphs. In fact, it just leads to poorly written prose. (Also, one of the ref tags is broken and is messing up the references section. Be sure to fix that.) ShadowHalo 05:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

A couple of comments. I reviewed this article last time it failed GA. There are still some issues from my original review that have not been addressed. Mainly the citations, and their format. I don't think a huge amount needs to be said about the album's production, GA articles don't need to be as comprehensive as say FA, but certainly it's production, and the major points regarding it, should be mentioned. Once that is done I'd recommend a peer review before submitting for GA. - Shudda ^talk 05:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright. I've started to address some of the points here, but I'm pretty tired of working on the article for today. I'll do more in the morning. If someone else wants to pick it up here, that'd be great. --Moralis 06:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused as to what we should add in the production. mcr616 20:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

For ideas on what to include, you might want to take a look at the FA's Enta Da Stage and Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers). ShadowHalo 17:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The issue here isn't really what would hypothetically go under production. So far, I haven't been able to find any real information on the production of the album that could be attributed to a published source. If I can find a transcript of "My Chemical Romance Welcomes You to the Black Parade," I'll be able to improve the situation a bit. Has anyone else found anything? --Moralis 17:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I'm not sure if ther's a transcrip of MCR Welcomes You To The Black Parade but you could always check the press conference videos on youtube mcr616 17:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Even though YouTube references are allowed I feel that a YouTube video of "MCR Welcomes You to the Black Parade" would be a copyright violation. It's hard to tell which videos are copyright on YouTube. And if The Black Parade website has a copyright on it then the press conference video may also be a copyright violation.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a series of videos on YouTube explaining The Black Parade that was put out there by the band. I don't think those are copyrighted since they have an embed link in them. mcr616 01:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Regardless, I don't think citing the videos as a source (without uploading them to Wikipedia) would be a copyright violation- but I don't think they'd be applicable as a source, either. --Moralis 17:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I tried to check the guidlines for sources but I couldn't find a reference anywhere to YouTube, so I guess we'll just forget about using the press conference videos. mcr616 23:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WHAT THE HECK???

On the MCR wikiproject page one of th requierments says "make pages for all MCR songs". I helped out with the project and did that on the black parade page and someone came and deleated all of them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Alternativepunk

We took all the individual song articles up on a VfD and the result was delete. Sorry that your hard work was wasted, but don't recreate them unless they are released as singles. Mcr616 22:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I Don't Love You -- UK only?

I keep reading that "I Don't Love You" is a UK only single, and that the US will be getting a different single sometime soon. When MCR released the music video on youtube, they wrote that is was a UK single. Also, their myspace blog calls it that. Has anyone heard any other news about this? And should it be put up that its a UK single? --Yunaresuka 05:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't too sure about that. When I first saw "Watch the video for My Chemical Romance's new UK single "I Don't Love You."" I thought it may have meant that there would be a seperate video for the US release. It may also mean that there will be subtle differences between the two (much like the differences between the single and album versions of W2TBP).

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 09:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

This is only speculation, so it should not be included into the article, however remember how the MTV source listed "Disenchanted" and "I Don't Love You" as a single, perhaps "I Don't Love You" will be released in UK and the US will get "Disenchanted". This is only my two cents and there is no source to back it up.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't put it in for that reason. I checked their website and they had no news about IDLY as a single, or anything else being a single either. --Yunaresuka 18:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

They have one more single soming out, because this Saturday, they are having a video shoot. I know, I am in it. On thier website it ells you that it is in LA his weekend, and I got chose for it. They havent told me which song it is, but I think it is Disenchanted-MCRluvr 06:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope to God it's not Disenchanted just for my own selfish reasons :(. Congrats on being picked, though. I didn't think they had gotten back to people that quickly.--JUDE ^talk 07:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The shoot is today, and It is either Mama or Disenchanted, I will get back to you once the whole thing has been shot, probabl tomorrow. They got back in about, I would say 8 hours. There was only two days until the shoot at the time, so they needed to pick quickly. But I will get back to y'all --MCRluvr 08:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, but also so you know we won't be able to add it to the article since it's unsourced. But thanks for keeping us up to date and good luck with the shoot. And I'm pretty sure it is "Disenchanted" as most evidence points there, but either way it should be nice.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 19:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

As sort of extra information, it has been confirmed on the MCRmy boards that the movie is for "Teenagers". Of course this isn't really technically sourced and you'd have to log on to view it, so I'd just wait until we see more information and sources.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 19:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I can also confirm that the video shoot was for Teenagers, but like it's always stated. No original research. And as you stated you have to log into the boards, so there's no confirmation until we can get it sourced. I'll be on the hunt for solid sources.--JUDE ^talk 07:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, the shoot was amazing. But they told me I wasn't allowed to tell anyone :(. Which sucks, because I was planning on going to work and telling people. I will be able to tell you before the video comes out though. Within the next month they said I can, just not now since the video was just shot. But I will be sure to tell y'all. The shoot went GREAT, and the video should turn out amazing! I met Gerard and Frank for they first time :) Sweet, sweet guys they are :) --MCRluvr 07:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

OKay, I got a call today, I am allowed to say what the video is. It is indeed Teenagers. But they told me i was definately not allowed to release any info about the video shoot. Or what it was about. Sorry guys. --MCRluvr 03:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait... they contacted you today to let you know that it was okay to say what the video was? That's a little overboard.--JUDE ^talk 03:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The band itself didn't, I'm not even sure who it was, everyone got a call, it was a recording, so it wasn't a real person. One of my friends was also in the video, and he got a call as well. No big deal --MCRluvr 06:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

There is still no source for Teenagers as a single and it is continued to be added on this page and Template:My Chemical Romance. Are we now going to let it stay or are we still removing it? I've been the only one removing it and I don't want to seem like a jerk or anything and possibly not have a source or something someone else has.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 03:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It is safe to say it is. Because I was at the video shoot. --MCRluvr 06:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not safe to say because there's a "no original resource" policy at wikipedia. Original resource has no verification. We need a media source.--JUDE ^talk 06:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by the guys several times.And the video has been shot for it, it is the next single, trust me.--MCRluvr 06:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL okay, it's not a matter of trust. We all know very well that Teenagers is the next single. We're discussing the possibility of whether or not there is a confirmed source in the media. No one is denying that Teenagers is the next single, I promise you. It's not about trust, we're trying to verify a source so that we don't get hit by the No Original Research policy.--JUDE ^talk 08:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Very well, then by the no original research policy I suggest it be removed from these places then. Also the B-side on the Teenagers page does not have a source either.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Single

Since IDLY is apparently UK-only, should we put that in the article? mcr616 19:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

As you said it is apparently UK-only... However, they have also stated in an interview that they may also release it into the US but I'm not sure. Perhaps wait until the single is released in a couple weeks?  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 19:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Just wondering because of the shoot that was taking place today. mcr616 00:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teenagers

It's confirmed on the MCRmy boards, should we add it as a single? mcr616 23:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you have to log on to view the information and those sources should be avoided. Please see WP:EL and also, there is a discussion above already on our thoughts on the matter.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

THE NEXT SINGLE(S) ARE EITHER GOING TO BE TEENAGERS MAMA DISENCHANTED OR DEAD! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iamyoda (talk • contribs).

If no sources are provided then this information cannot be added due to WP:OR.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Platinum?

I searched both the RIAA's web site and the BPI's- both of which have searchable awards databases. Neither one indicated that the album had been certified platinum, so I deleted that bit of info from the article. It can be re-added if someone can find a source for it. --Moralis 21:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the way this was found was by adding together the sales which were sourced and then just comparing and drawing conclusions. I am just saying what I think might have happened since RIAA is generally slow in updating their database.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

link In a few weeks this link will not help you anymore. But now (26/03), TBP is marked with a triangle, that means "1'000'000" copies have been sold. [Please excuse my bad English, I'm swiss] --213.140.22.64 17:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a really good source. Of course as you said it soon will be worthless. I did look for an alternate and was not able to find one. But I think this will be a good one to use at the moment.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

I properly formatted all of the references in the article. Please check it out and make sure I did it right. I used this to do it so I'd like to know if it's accurate. Thanks!  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 22:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks pretty sweet to me. Good job! Saves us a lot of time fishing through things.--JUDE ^talk 05:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MCR VS> BEATLES

Why do the Beatles Get pages for all of thier songs and MCR dosent???????---iamyoda

I haven't researched the issue, but I would presume it is because most, if not all, Beatles songs are inherently notable. If we made an article for every song that's ever appeared on a mainstream recording, we would have a lot of stubs that looked like this:

"Hysteria is the 8th track on the [[Muse]] album [[Absolution (album)|Absolution]]. Its running time is 3:47."

All Wikipedia articles have to follow the same notability policies (WP:N). --Moralis 22:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that in the cases of most songs, the information that would go in a stub for each song should be included in the article on the album. It's not like we're not including information on MCR. There just isn't enough content to put in an article for each song, nor is each song notable enough to warrant its own article. --Moralis 22:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Plus, you would have to avoid putting in fancruft and unverifierd information. mcr616 _Speak! 14:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)