Talk:The Daily Telegraph
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What would be helpful to me is decade-by-decade figures on average daily circulation. Can anyone add that to the article?
Isn't the DT about to change ownership? Anyone know enough about it to write a little snippet for the article? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 00:41, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
New ownership hasn't been decided yet.But this REALLY needs some history of the former owners,generations of Lords Burnham followed by the Lords Camrose until Black elbowed them out.That covers over 130 years of history that's omitted.--L.E./12.144.5.2/le@put.com
No mention of the Dyer incident in India, after which the Daily Telegraph rewarded the man a vast sum of money for his deed which they (conservatives) considered good at the time ( killing 500+ civilians and injuring thousands ) in 1920 to stop any peaceful protests in India. Anybody agree it should be included? (User name not stated)
- Please put any information you have in the article. Others can always expand or amend it.
- Tyrenius 20:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] POV notice
I don't know much about the academic niceties of political terminology, but the reference to the Telegraph being anywhere on an "authoritarian" axis strikes me as obvious left-wing bias and an highly inaccurate and hurtful insult to this democratic newspaper and its readers. Carina22 18:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
'Authoritarian'?
I wonder if the commentator misunderstood.
The article says "The Telegraph is known for its right-wing politics. Within this classification it takes a roughly central position on the authoritarian/libertarian axis." It therefore does not accuse the Telegraph of being authoritarian. To do that it would have been necessary to say that on the "authoritarian/ libertarian axis" the paper occupies an authoritarian position - whereas it is said that the paper occupies a roughly central position: i.e. roughly midway between libertarian and authoritarian. 16:38, 21 February 2006 User:193.123.236.185
At the moment it says, "The Telegraph is known for its right-wing politics. Within this classification it takes a roughly central position on the authoritarian/libertarian axis." I can't see anything that says, or implies, that it is not respectful of democracy. A democratic newspaper can be right-wing and occupy a "roughly central position..." etc. The text does not even say it occupies and extreme right-wing position, in fact the opposite - that it takes a relatively balanced view. I should think its readers would be soundly in agreement. You seem to object to the mere fact that it is anywhere on an "authoritarian/libertarian axis" but this is a yardstick that can be applied to any newspaper (or individual or party). It is surely where something is placed on it that is the key point.
Tyrenius 05:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
As there has been no further response to two posts advocating that the statement is not POV, I have removed the POV notice.
Tyrenius 20:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps there should be a link to the political compass article if their specific terminology is going to be used.137.138.46.155 15:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Remove "central position"
There's been somme discussion over POV matters but does anyone object to my removing the following? "Within this classification it takes a roughly central position on the authoritarian/libertarian axis. It is less traditionalist and more libertarian than The Spectator but more traditionalist and less libertarian than The Economist." I think that the article is a lot better off without it: 1. "Within this classification" is superfluous or else implies that libertarians and authoritarians are subtypes of conservatives - perhaps, going by the remarks about the Spectator and Economist, that authoritarians are on the right and libertarians are one the left. It's not what the author meant and it's not the only way of reading it but the whole thing reads fine without these three words. 2. "it takes a roughly central position on the authoritarian/libertarian axis" - It's difficult to point to any particular entrenched position that the Telegraph generally takes whether authoritarian, libertarian or somewhere in the middle. It's never particularly extreme but in the past has taken all sorts of positions on either side that can hardly be called "centre". I suppose its natural tendency is to be conservative without regard to authoritarianism. This doesn't mean that everything averages out and makes the DT central, it just means it doesn't have a libertarian/ authoritarian editorial stance and there's not much point in commenting on this. 3. "It is less traditionalist and more libertarian than The Spectator but more traditionalist and less libertarian than The Economist" - I'm not sure what this is meant to clarify - the Telegraph's supposed position in the centre has already been commented on and this sentence merely seems designed to illustrate the position of the Economist and Spectator especially given that they're fairly obscure in comparison with the DT. Anyway I'd like to know if people object before I delete anything 131.111.8.99 11:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's a bit pedantic and I don't think it's helpful to most people, so the article would be better off without it.
- Tyrenius 12:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "traditionally right-wing
I put in the description "traditionally right-wing" and gave a reference from the BBC website [1] where this description had occurred. I notice it has been changed back to "right of centre" and marked POV. This is an incorrect use of POV, which is only used to indicate a biased point of view from a Wicki editor. If the editor quotes an external source (and particularly if it is referenced) then that is not POV, even if the external source is POV, because it is simply stating from a NPOV that this opinion is held by this external source. This is not the first time I have come across this misunderstanding of the POV policy. The correct thing in these circumstance, if one considers that the source quoted is imbalanced, is to quote and reference another source to restore the balance, and to show the variety of attitudes that exist. If it is wished to put in the statement "right of centre" then please give the source and reference for this statement (otherwise the editor is guilty of POV) and then draw the contrast between the two positions. Furthermore, I notice that "right of centre" was reinstated and the reference to the BBC article still retained. The BBC article was about Sir David Barclay. The relevant passage with an editorial opinion is:
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- His statement comes after he was quoted in the Guardian as saying the editorial stance of the traditionally right-wing Telegraph was flexible.
I might point out that personally I actually consider the Telegraph is often far more liberal and broad-minded than the supposedly liberal papers, and I do not have an axe to grind. I am simply following Wicki protocol in finding external sources and quoting them, rather than giving my own opinion. Tyrenius 01:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Telegraph policy is to take a Conservative, broadly right of centre stance from its opinion pages, but to provide independent news. Traditionally right-wing is accurate, I'd say, but needs to be qualified.
Douglasi 10:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- The problem is that the Telegraph has always taken a right-wing viewpoint, especially the independents who write for it. Simon Heffer and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, as well as Mark Steyn are all extremely right wing by British standards. Darkmind1970 13:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Editors of the Sunday Telegraph
I've deleted John Thompson's name, as the blue link was to a disambiguation page that does not, in fact, include a JT as editor of the paper. In addition, unlike Trevor Grove (whose entry I recently began, to eliminate the red link) I can find nothing about JT in the archives. The list of editors for both the Daily and Sunday Telegraphs is not billed as comprehensive in any case. Robma 07:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV and Refs in Recent history secton
Please discuss this under this heading! I have marked the Recent history as being POV due to sentences such as :
- Heffer, known for his combative style and wit......
- ... to understand the finer details of any sporting deals there is no one better than Mihir Bose...
and as requiring refs for statements such as :
- ... Hollinger Inc. which in turn owns 30% of Hollinger International...
- ... the Barclay brothers purchased Hollinger ... for £665m...
Discuss here... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David Humphreys (talk • contribs) .
- You are right. I suggest you remove any statements that are POV or need references and put them in a special section on this page until they have been verified. It spoils the article when it is tagged in the way it is at the moment. Tyrenius 01:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Rather than remove (half!!) the section I would like to see it cited and de-poved...really the whole section could do with a tidy and a rewrite, but I don't know enough about the subject ... anyone willing to help ??? David Humphreys 01:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Be bold! All changes are reversible. Tyrenius 03:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "one of only two remaining daily British broadsheet newspapers"
Is this actually precisely true? I'm fairly sure the Birmingham Post is still broadsheet, and the intro doesn't specify national newspapers. Loganberry (Talk) 01:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
