Talk:The Nightmare Before Christmas

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Contents 1 No topic (various comments) 2 Merchandise Section 3 cult films 4 Unnoticed Vandalism? 5 TOOL CD 6 Recent cleanup 7 Stop animation?! 8 Hidden Mickey 9 "First" at what exactly? 10 "Cleaning up" 11 3d Dvd release set? 12 Halloween Town/Halloweentown 13 Production

[edit] No topic (various comments)

Can anybody explain in the article why NB4C wasn't advertised or known under the Disney name? --SuperDude 02:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Because these people are slow. Nah...I don't know really. Was it under Disney? I wasn't aware that it was.TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

OH BOY. thank you, whoever put that up about those goth teens. thank you.

This is an encyclopedia, not a livejournal. The second half of that paragraph is garbage. It's worth noting that it has become licensed to Hot Topic, but the article is not a rant. Benji 03:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Objectiveness? Hello... this is wikipedia. Someone want to clean up that bit?

What type of cleaning up would you people like? I'm willing to clean it up, considering it wasn't only goth teens who loved the movie. And in the beginning it was just a movie, not a "goth" movie. And now it has become mainstream and is everywhere. So any suggestions on how to clean it up? TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

• Cleaned. Everyone feel free to tweak. I can say that the stuff is VERY popular with the younger gothic/alternative crowd (especially females), at least in the UK. If we're going to include anything about original fans resenting this we could really use a source for this. exolon 03:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

-"in the past few years many retail stores like Hot Topic have obtained the rights to sell products and have flooded the market with cheap and uninspired merchandise" that still seems like baised. What proof do you have that the NBC products are any cheaper or uninspired than what was sold in the past? The fact that the movie is under a researgence and has led to an increased amount of merchendise sales is relevant BUT whatever YOU feel this is good or bad is definatly not relevant.

[edit] Merchandise Section

I've reverted this to my version, as the other is horribly POV, and unsourced. If there is resentment amongst original fans over the commercial exploitation of the franchise then cite a source and include it in a NPOV way. Example : "Many original fans of the film have expressed misgivings over the commercial exploitation of the brand, and it's merchandises' proliferation in the retail sector." <source link> Same for the quality of the merchandise issue - cite a source and include in a NPOV way. Example. "Many collecters of the original merchandise feel the newer merchandise is of inferior quality to the original." <source link> exolon 20:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• I've reverted back to my version. The edit inserted unencyclopedic language & POV. exolon 19:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Reverted again. To the anon user who keeps putting these controversial claims in, please enter into discussion here. I'm quite happy for these issues to be addressed, but we need sources, and we need to phrase things in a NPOV way. "Cheap and uninspired" is POV, and needs to be attributed. exolon 14:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I am the person is is constantly editing the Merchandise section. As to my crudentials, I am a long time Nightmare Before Christmas collector and probably one of the most knowledgeable athorities on this film and collecting in perticular. Also I am able to speak for Tim Burton and Nightmare Before Christmas fans as I am a member of both The Tim Burton Collective and Halloweentown.Org . I am including the controversy about the newer Hot Topic merchandise because it has become a very contriversial topic among the fan community deserves to be included in an article about merchandise to represent all sides of the issue. I have however tried to go back over my previous statements and try and make it more subjective. Again, I am not trying to create contreversy, just state the truth. I would be happy to continue any disscussion on the topic. Oogie13oogie 16:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks for joining, I'm much happier with the phrasing now. I've left a message on your talk page so we can fine-tune things a bit. exolon 19:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
        • Tweaked the wording slightly. What do you think? exolon 19:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
          • Im fine with the wording. As long as your happy with it so am I. On another note, I am going to try and add more info to the overall The Nightmare Before Christmas section. Check back often and let me know any suggestions.Oogie13oogie 01:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
            • Someone edited the merchadise section so I had to rewrite it all together. I actaully like the wording better now. Let me know what you think. 12:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cult films

would this be considered a cult film and should it be added to that category? I happen to think so but I'm not sure what qualifies or not.--CallmeNiel 08:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Kind of. Nightmare did develope a cult fallowing after it was released on video but over the years it became increasingly popular and would definetly not be considered a cult film anymore. Mabye you can mention it something like that. Oogie13oogie 12:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unnoticed Vandalism?

"At mickey mainia 2 mickey mouse use the bug spiray on Oogie Boogie he will never retrun."

This is certainly vandalism, but since i've never played that game, could someone else please correct it to what-ever the statement is supposed to be? It's found in the Video Games section. --88.104.204.60 01:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TOOL CD

I heard it syncs up with a TOOL CD, anybody ever heard anything about htis?

I haven't heard anything about "htis" per se, but this, sounds like a bunch of bull to me. Since there were only two albums by Tool out by the time NBC came out, one of which was released only 6 months before NBC's release, I find it highly improbable. It was probably someone just trying to connect their favorite band to their favorite movie.

Are you thinking of this, perhaps? link? Pumpkingrrl 03:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent cleanup

I went through this article yesterday, rewording some sentences that sounded awkward or too informal (and removing as much POV bias as I noticed; I'll fix the merchandise comments today). Hopefully, the result's not too bad... -- Ingeborg S. Nordén 18:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop animation?!

I just felt like remarking how amazed I am. I thought this movie was too well done to just be stop animation; I originally thought it was CG designed to LOOK like stop animation. Good work!

[edit] Hidden Mickey

>There is a hidden Mickey when Jack is on the train in Christmas Town. The Steam blower puffs out a Mickey >shaped cloud but it quickly turns into a rabbit shaped cloud.

Could this be a reference to Oswald The Lucky Rabbit?

[edit] "First" at what exactly?

"The Nightmare Before Christmas marked the first time that a stop motion movie had been attempted at this scale."

I think that sentence needs a little more explaining. There were quite a few stop motion films made before Nightmare, and some of them were quite ambitious in scale (Flåklypa Grand Prix and Krysar, for example). The major difference was that none of them received a US release, or a wide one in any case. I've heard it argued that Nightmare could have begun a new era for stop-motion films in the West were it not for the release of Toy Story just two years later.

Something should definitely be mentioned about its unique influence in making stop motion recognized in the West, but something better than the above statement is needed. -Esn 06:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Cleaning up"

Alright listen up, if you are going to attempt to "clean up" this article by adding in your own attempts at literary mediocrity, please, don't do it. There were multiple sentences in the synopsis that were abhorredly long, grotesque, and misspelled. So, unless you can spell, know how to construct a proper sentence, and are somewhat intelligent, don't "clean" anything.

[edit] 3d Dvd release set?

Has a release date for the 3d version been anounced?

[edit] Halloween Town/Halloweentown

i'm noticing a lack of consistency throughout this article - both 'Halloween Town' and 'Halloweentown' are used. i think it would make more sense to decide upon one term and use just that; however, which one is considered 'correct'? any thoughts? asibikaashi 05:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In the original poem by Tim Burton he refers to it as Halloweenland so maybe Halloweentown is the correct spelling.--gtr225 10:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Production

One thing that isn't mention in the production part of the article, is how Zero was made. It would be interesting if the technique bahind this ghost dog could be explained. 193.217.193.235 08:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)