Talk:The Republicans (Germany)

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There is open debate on rather facism is rightwing or not. People like F. A. Hayek, as well as many others state that these parties are state controled collectivists, and therefore leftwing. -- posted by user:68.57.33.91, moved to talk by Ferkelparade π 08:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

This is a misrepresentation of the debate in academia. Hayek, von Mises, and Flynn are right-wing / libertarian scholars who make this claim, but in reality, none of the major scholars of fascism agree.--Cberlet 20:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Ceberlet's comment is a common misrepresentation by leftists that can't get over the fact that their precious socialism is totalitarian in nature. F. A. Hayek is about as rightwing a an apple. Hayek says that the further right you go the more individulist oriented the form of government, with anarchy being the ultimate extreme result. He considers this extreme dangerous to society. On the other hand, he says that the further left you go the more colectivist oriented the form of government, with totalitarianism being the ultimate extreme result. He, also considers this extreme dangerous to society. And in reality most of the scholars on faciam are leftists or centrists and rightist influenced by leftist views in acedemia, which were handed down my the social elites of Hayek's day. These are the same guys who snobishly rejected Hayek's writings, because it too closely aligned racist Hitler with their beloved pet utopian, answer to the world's problems, Socialism. (Neutral nobody 20:50, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

I agree with another wikipedian on another page that suggested we drop left or right in articles. I don't see many articles on so-called leftist groups labeled with 'a far left' or left-wing label, so why insistance to do it on the one's some accociate with the right. (Neutral nobody 21:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

Here's a page linking to wikipedian socialist parties: no mention of left in alot of their articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_democratic_parties (Neutral nobody 21:27, 8 December 2005

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all most of these pages say are "a political party" whever they might be. (Neutral nobody 21:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

All of this debate over fascism seems unimportant, since Republikaner members likely consider themselves to be on the political right. In addition, "fascism" is never mentioned in the article. (metzerly 22:37, 28 December 2005)

I think that "left" and "right" should be banned from wikipedia. They're labels which do not recognize the dynamic political environment of the post-WWIII world and tell one little about the group in question. Is the International Third Position left or right? They would say neither. The Liberal Democrats of the UK? Libertarianism? National Anarchism? Anarcho-Monarchism? The point is that these labels are ancient and represent a current of sloppy thinking which should be absent from wikipedia.

Your examples do raise serious points of debate, but "right" and "left" are used throughout the world to categorize political parties. So it's hard to break away from these categories, even if they are very relative at times. I would suggest that the NPOV banner be removed from this article. metzerly 01:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving to Republicans (Germany)

I suggest that this article be moved to Republicans (Germany). Most/all Wikipedia articles leave "the" out of their location titles. I know this is a special circumstance (i.e. the party is often referred to as "Die Republikaner"), but since the name has already been changed/translated to English, I think it would be best to follow the normal Wikipedia standards. metzerly 01:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Republicans (Germany) as per Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. I have also taken down the POV banner, as it does not seem relevant since the NPD and DVU articles refer to the parties as "far-right. --metzerly 07:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted the move. All electoral movements and parties on Wikipedia which have "Die", "Los", "Gli", "Les" or somthing like that in their name in foreign languages have a "The" in their Wikipedia article name, so this should, too. —Nightstallion (?) 02:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)