Talk:The Sound of Music

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To 62.60.53.50 ;

I accept that I had it wrong about the film and the orange crate error. ( I wrote it nbefore I joined the wikipedia 'crew') However, I felt that your wording about Israel was not NPOV enough. I reworded it accordingly. No anti-Israel message is intended. - Arno

Did Austria even have a navy at the time of the alleged events depicted in the story?

Georg Ritter von Trapp served in the navy of Austria-Hungary during World War I. The old empire had a coastline on the eastern Adriatic which included what are now Slovenia, Croatia, and Dalmatia. knoodelhed 11:58, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 the sound of music 2 Versions 3 The "Trivia" section ... 4 Song Listing 5 Intersting LP Album 6 Malaysian "Sound of Music on Ice" 7 Maria von Trapp in the DVD 8 Film plot outline 9 Article Split 10 Musical Unknown in Austria -Trivia Section- 11 The 1991 Japanese Animation version 12 2006 production 13 Spam link 14 Title 15 "Austrian DVD Cover" 16 right (German) vs. left (Austria before 1934-8) side traffic

[edit] the sound of music

the sound of music is a great movie. it is a great movie to people who are into music. it is a bit like marry poppins but has its own storie line. it is such along movie so you will have to be prepared to sit for along time and be able to what it.

  it took me a while to get into the story line but i soon did.

i think any age can watch it from young children to old adult.

[edit] Versions

What was the year of the Australian production mentioned in the article? There was an original Australian production (quite separate, obviously, from the one mentioned here) in 1961 (or thereabouts) that starred June Bronhill as Maria and featured Rosina Raisbeck as the Mother Abbess - both, incidentally, possessors of good, trained operatic voices. It opened at the Princess Theatre in Melbourne and later transferred to Sydney. There was a cast recording. It would be worth adding this production to the list of versions discussed. ChristopherW, 28 May 2006

[edit] The "Trivia" section ...

... has become a bit tiresome to read, there seems to be no structure whatsoever, and several passages can no longer be understood by the average reader. Could I ask those of you who know what this is all about to improve those passages?

• (1) What's all that about a "sausage factory"?
• (2) Why are the names of the von Trapp children mentioned here, in the Trivia section?
• (3) I don't understand a single word of the final paragraph. Why is this mentioned here at all? <KF> 19:58, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

• I share your sentiment with regards to the trivia section. I think it might be better if the following was added to the section that describes the movie as it directly relates to the description of the movie:

In 2001 the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally significant" and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry.

According to boxofficemojo, the film ranks third in both all-time number of tickets sold (142,415,400) and in gross adjusted for inflation ($911,458,400) in North America (behind Gone with the Wind and Star Wars) Combine this with its success around the world in sales of tickets, videocassettes, laserdiscs, DVDs and its frequent airings on television, it is called "the most widely seen movie produced by a Hollywood studio" by Amazon.uk

I wouldn't really consider that "trivial" information.

I don't agree with the statement:

In fact, the musical itself is virtually unknown in the country, except in backpacker's hostels in Salzburg, where it is screened daily on DVD.

When I traveled throughout western Austria (Salzburg, Innsbruck, ... etc.) in 1983, everyone I met liked The Sound Of Music very much. I never asked anyone about the edelweiss tune, but I doubt anyone could object to it. I submit that the whole first bullet under "Trivia" is either exagerated or too nit-picky.

• A little anecdote, hardly representative, but perhaps amusing: A few years ago, some German colleagues (not Austrian, but from both ends of Germany), came to the USA for a meeting. We went to a German restaurant where an accordionist wandered about the room, taking requests. One request was "Edelweiss". My German colleagues had never heard it before. Then he played "Yesterday". That, they knew. Wahkeenah 03:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
• Regarding Richard Rodgers' "sausage factory" comment, it was his way of saying that the film is noticeably high-quality from the get-go, as compared with a lot of the presumed "assembly line" kind of product that Hollywood generated then (and still does). I'd have thought that was clear. Perhaps I need to explain his comment for those who don't get it? Wahkeenah 03:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll add something to my comment above (about the popularity of The Sound Of Music and the tune edelweiss) that might or might not be pertinent. When I was in the haufbrau house in Munich, they asked the various people at tables where they were from and announced through a mike each group's nationality while playing the corresponding national anthem. For the USA they played "America The Beautiful" lol. And oddly enough most Germans I brought it up to consider that to be the USA national anthem. From my googling around, it appears to be the case that Hammerstein made up the edelweiss song and that it certainly was never a national anthem for any place. I wonder why it is so strongly implied to be a regional folk tune in the movie? I was surprised by my google results. So *that* part (about edelweiss) should probably be kept - and maybe even expanded on.

Regarding the rest of my comment, I recall that the subject of The Sound Of Music really only came up around Salzburg when I was visiting the various places where the movie was filmed. And so my experience was probably highly biased.

I was just coming here to say that the trivia section is too long. If no-one objects I will strip out some of the really trivial trivia.

I also think we should remove the statement about Reagan playing Edelweiss, as a) it's exactly the sort of story that gets repeated without being fact-checked b) the White House has whole departments for researching national anthems of visiting dignitaries, and don't rely on the memories of their presidents. DJ Clayworth 15:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I support the criticisms of the trivia section here. Is the fact that Gwen Sefani used the movie as a basis for her music video really something people need to know who are interested in the Sound of Music musical? I mean, who put that in there, her publicist? One might as well link to her in the article of the Sistine Chapel with the comment that she visited there once.

Stephanis music video really isn't relevant to the topic. She didnt contribute anything to the Sound of Music musical or its legacy. Moreover, this article is about the musical performances, not the movie, and a comment about her sampling of a Sound of Music song appears in the trivia on the film article as well. Her butchering of the delightful R&H tune is something like spray painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

LuckyDan 12:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Ditto with the Family Guy comment. A tricycle running over Julie Andrews in the cartoon is not relevant. Its not even good satire.

LuckyDan 13:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song Listing

How about one? 66.131.199.150, 02:13, 6 October 2005

• What's stopping you? Wahkeenah 03:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The list of songs looks like it's from the film, not the show. Can anyone check? Bluewave 10:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intersting LP Album

I seem to have an Intersting LP Album for the Sound of Music that does not seem to correspond to any of the versions listed in the Article...

It lists the cast as:

• Maria Rainer (Maria) ... Adele Leigh (Who Isnt in Wikipedia Article and google dosent seen to dinf much about her)
• Captain von Trapp ... Ian Wallace
• Max Detweiler .. Willain Dickie
• Rolf Gruber ... Peter Gilmore
• The Mother Abbess: Patrica Johnson
• Elsa Schrader ... Maggie Fitzgibbon
• Liesl ... Patrica Lynn
• The von Trapp Children ... The Aida Foster Children

and others

The track Listing is:

Side One

• Prelude and The Sound of Music ... Adele Leigh and girls chorus
• Maria ... Patricia Johnson, Barbara Elsy, Pauline Stevens and
• My Favourite Things ... Adele Leigh and Patricia Johnson
• Do-Re-Mi ... Adele Leigh and children
• Sixteen Going On Seventeen ... Peter Gilmore and Patricia Lynn
• The Lonely Goatherd .. -. Adele Leigh and girls chorus

Side Two

• How Can Love Survive ... Maggie Fitzgibbon and William Dickie
• Climb Ev'ry Mountain ... Patricia Johnson and chorus
• No Way To Stop It ...Ian Wallace, William Dickie and Maggie Fitzgibbon
• An Ordinary Couple ... Adele Leigh and Ian Wallace
• Edelweiss ... Ian Wallace
• Finale ... Chorus

The record is made by World Record International, with addreses in Sydney, Meblourne, Perth and Adelade, but ot has no date, or any Copyright notices. On the Record itself it las the label Light Music Club, World Stereo.

If anyone knows anything about it, pls reply. Also if you want more info, my talk page is there! -- KaiAdin 10:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Malaysian "Sound of Music on Ice"

I've removed the section under the list of productions relating to the Malaysian ice performance. It sounds like a one-off performance, so I don't think it belongs here. And as discussed above, the "trivia" section has been trimmed down, so I don't think we should be re-adding more trivia. Also, I find it odd that the entry was quite vague: "The students of an ice skating academy" - which ice skating academy? Why not name it?

If other editors disagree and think it should be re-inserted, I do think that a source should be found for purposes of verifiability, and I remain unconvinced that it's notable enough for inclusion in this article. CLW 09:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maria von Trapp in the DVD

I just searched my DVD of S of M for the scene the Wikipedia article describes in which the real Maria and her daugher and granddaughter appear on an arch during the song "I Feel Confidence". Wasn't there as far as I can tell. I also listened to the director's comments during the scene to see if he mentions it and he doesn't. It seems to me that I remember seeing online a still from the scene, but don't know where I saw it, and I didn't notice it while watching (sporadically) the movie with my son. Is it perhaps in another scene?

It's there, but you wouldn't notice it unless someone had pointed it out to you. Don't have the movie handy, but in the shot right before she goes to the fountain and runs her hand through it, there's an arch in the background. Maria von Trapp and her kin are underneath that arch. But it's not noticeable, it's way in the background. It's just a nice tidbit. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 03:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

A small error in the trivia section: It says that Julie Andrews tripped while filming, and they left it in (at the end of the "confidence" scene). The director says on the dvd that she tripped during rehearsal and they told her to leave it in for the filming. 24.127.101.24 20:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)Nanci

[edit] Film plot outline

This section appears to have been corrupted. The synopsis stops halfway, and a list of the child actors then follows, poorly formatted. I'm unwilling to make any major changes because I'm relatively new to editing pages. johnboy 23:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it on the 21st. Goodnight, johnboy (just had to say that). Clarityfiend 06:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Split

I am trying to split this article into The Sound of Music which focuses solely on the broadway musical, and The Sound of Music (film) which will focus solely on the 1965 film. I started to do this yesterday but apparently some sections were lost in the move so the work was reverted. I guess this time we can focus on not losing any sections of information in the process.

[edit] Musical Unknown in Austria -Trivia Section-

It states that the Musical is relativly unknown in Austria, im not sure this is true because when I visted Austria in the late 90's my family and I went on a Sound Of Music tour, where we went on a bus ride visiting different places shown in the film and also places from the original story. So if people are making money out of it as a tourist attraction I find it hard to beleive it is unknown there. Woldo 12:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, of course there's a tour, because tourists know it and want to see the places. But, I, as an Austrian, have never seen the film or heard any of the songs, and neither has any of my friends. Oszillodrom 18:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

This would then class as Original Research. Reference the fact or it doesn't belong there, this is an example of what wikipedia is not. Woldo 23:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess that would be original research (yours) vs. original research (mine). But I think we can try to agree on something and then try to verify it with a reference.Oszillodrom 13:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I found a reference, but I don't know if it is valid in Wiki (I'm a bit of a newbie). [1] (from the association for art of the city of Salzburg): "What is especially peculiar about its success is that one of the most famous pieces of film history is almost unknown in Austria, its place of origin. When it reached the cinemas in Europe it completely flopped in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. In Salzburg, the film had to be removed from the programme after just three days." Oszillodrom 13:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with your reference, it seems all good, so if you would care to place the link in the main article where neccesary youll be helping wikipedia. Thanks mate Woldo 09:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I have added the reference, but I don't know how to include it with the other references. Somebody please fix this. Oszillodrom 21:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 1991 Japanese Animation version

Does anyone know any more about the Nippon Animation series? I suspect that this was based on the story of the family, but had no other links to the musical. Would they have been licensed to use the songs or script? Rojomoke 10:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 production

This is becoming similar to a gossip column about the minute changes and goings-on of this latest revival. Is it necessary? The show hasn't even opened yet! May I suggest it be split off into a separate article for devotees of such gossip? Orbicle 10:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spam link

I would say the link to the box office of a current production is irrelevant and merely spam. Any thoughts? Sam Hayes 23:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree. I think the entire section about the 2006 revival is equally irrelevant, apart from the merest mention of it. See my comment above. Orbicle 11:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

As are the comments about Gwen Sefani also advertising for her new album. Probably her publicist put them there. Stephanis "song" (for lack of a better word) really isn't relevant to the topic. She didnt contribute anything to the Sound of Music or its legacy.

LuckyDan 12:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

I thought the title of this was "the hill are alive with the sound of music" or is that one of the songs? Simply south 14:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Austrian DVD Cover"

It says "Austrian DVD Cover" under the picture of the DVD Cover. So why is the text on it in English then? Doesn't make any sense, does it? --193.171.131.249 18:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Surely there shouldn't be a picture of the DVD to the film on the page about stage productions? Jonks 12:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] right (German) vs. left (Austria before 1934-8) side traffic

Before German occupation, Austrians drove on the left side of the road, generally in cars with the steering wheel on the right. Germans drove on the right, with the steering wheel on the left, and forced Austria to reverse its rules of the road during the mid-1930s. In the movie, note the appropriate contrast between the von Trapp family's big Mercedes touring car, with its steering wheel on the right, and the two cars driven by the German soldiers, with the steering wheel on the left. Nice touch! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.36.44.98 (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC).