Talk:The Specials
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Werent The Specials a Ska band rather than a punk band? G-Man 11:52 UTC 12/4/03
- I'd say they were both- hence I've altered the sentence to describe them as '2 Tone' quercus robur
| Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts? —Wetman |
Damn, so now we have bots telling us about POV issues? That's harsh. Anyway, fixed now. ☢ Ҡieff⌇↯ 01:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, an interesting development... harsh but regarded by many as probably fair ;-) Graham 10:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Jerry Dammers
Jerry Dammers would be born as '...'. Ok, why not ? But why the article about him doesn't mentin that ? So, which is correct ? Plus something else : are you sure that 'né ...' is correct in english ? It's a french phrasee.
[edit] Jerry Dammers not 'Gerald Danki'
Jerry Dammers was definatly not born 'Gerald Dankin', 'Dankey' or 'Danki.' I am his nephew, my surname is Dammers and no one in my family has ever had any of those surnames. The fact that different versions of his alleged 'birthname' emerge shows how innaccurate they all are. I borrowed the book: 'Wheels Out of Gear: 2 Tone, The Specials and a world in flame' by Dave Thompson, off a friend. I was amused to find that this popular myth was actually in the first sentence of the book! The first page of this book also got his age wrong and said that 'too much too young' is totally unrelated to the track 'birth control.' If the author actually listened to both tracks he would notice that they use a similar organ riff, but anyway thats a bit off the point.
I changed this on wikipedia a few months ago, but it was changed back. Please don't change it back again because it's 100% untrue.
- OK (ish). But are we agreed that his date of birth is 22 May 1954, not 1955 ?! Also, there is much evidence to support the Gerald Dankin name. Is his real first name actually 'Gerald' then ? I do not wish to cause offence, but the counter claims are well documented. Where does "Dankin" etc., come from ? It seems odd to pretend that someone born Dammers is really Dankin, or is this to "hide" some ridiculously perceived, one-time ethic embarrassment, perhaps. I do not know (or in many ways care) but it might be interesting to try to get to the bottom of this. With all due respect, he is not "in the public eye" these days, and there seems little to be gained from continuing "subterfuge".
- Derek R Bullamore 23:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
He was born in 1955, I just asked my dad and I went to his 50th birthday party last year so that makes sense. I'm not sure how exactly the 'gerald dankin' story emerged and perpetuated and I agree its not really a big issue that anyone should get too hung up about. I think that the fact that there is no one in his family (including me - meaning that my dad(his brother) would also of had to have changed there surname for no apparent reason) with that surname, is a credible argument against the 'Gerald Dankin' myth. I think real evidence to counter what I'm saying would be to find another member of my family with the 'Dankin' surname. I find it laughable to suggest that I am engaging in 'subterfuge,' as I have no real motive for doing so, I am just correcting a factual inaccuracy. You're right that as Jerry is out of the public eye nowdays, there would be no point in engaging in a meaningless argument. His first name was 'Jeremy' not 'Gerald,' which hardly constitutes a name change. I hope that you believe me now, if not you could start developing some more conspiracy theories about me being a concert promoter etc.
- Thank you for the additional information. I did not, in any way, intend to suggest that it was you specifically that was engaging in 'subterfuge'; merely that the whole situation seemed odd. It is much clearer now. By the way, you are not a concert promoter are you (tee hee) ?!
- Derek R Bullamore 19:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Horace Panter
What was his real name? It states in the article Sir Horace Gentleman, but that redirects to an article called Horace Panter. If Horace Panter is his real name then that should be used and the Gentleman bit should only be the AKA. Also is he a real Sir? If not that should only be in the AKA also Timb0h 17:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Umm. This chap is difficult to pin down. It seems fairly certain he was born 30 August 1953, and that he is definetly not a Knight of the realm. The "Sir Horace Gentleman" title was seemingly just a bit of fun. But I can not unearth any hard evidence that 'Horace Panter' was his real name either. The comments above are worth persuing.
- Derek R Bullamore 18:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reference Check
I heard that The Mighty Mighty Bosstones refer to some lyrics from The Specials...possibly from Night Club if I remember correctly. Does anybody know if this is true? If so, which song? Maybe we can put it in the trivia. (Little Tinyfish - 12-22-2006)
[edit] Musical Origins
There are no mentions that most of The Specials did covers of first wave ska songs. It seems like a notable point. Perhaps the song origins could be defined? (Little Tinyfish - 12-22-2006)
[edit] Commercial Success
I remember the song, Monkey Man being in a comercial in the late 90s. Something tells me it was for either Capital One or Sierra Mist. I'll look into it. Maybe somebody else can verify? (Little Tinyfish - 12-22-2006)
