Talk:The Vine
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Catholic Encyclopedia: Parables: "There are no parables in St. John's Gospel."
Raymond Brown's Into to the NT "In the narrative sequence the metaphorical discourse on the good shepherd (10:1-21), although it has a certain autonomy, is directed to the Pharisees whom Jesus accused of being blind in 9:40-41. This and the description of the vine in 15"1-17 are the closest that John comes to the parables so common in the Synoptics. In John there is a mixture of metaphors offering different ways of looking at the same reality: Jesus is the gate by which the shepherd goes to the sheep, and by which the sheep come into the fold and go out to masturel and Jesus is the model shepherd who both knows his sheep by name and is willing to lay down his life for them." p.348 and he cites a work called "The Shepherd Discourse of John 10 and Its Context". Then on pages 364-5 "A comparison of the Fouth Gospel to the first three Gospels shows obvious differences. Peculiarities of John include: ... long discoursed and dialogues rather than parables". And Ehrman's NT "In John, however, Jesus does not speak in parables, nor does he proclaim the imminent appearance of the kingdom. He instead focuses his words on identifying himself as the one sent from God." p. 162
- Simply search Parable of the Vine in any search engine and you will find tons of sites that classify this as a parable. Do you know what the majority of bible scholars classify it as? Roy Brumback 06:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Number of search engine hits is not considered a reliable source. Catholic Encyclopedia is a reliable source, so is Raymond E. Brown. 75.15.203.141 07:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Number of hits is not a reliable source, but several of those hits are reliable sources. Calvin held it was a parable for instance [1]. Again, do you know what most scholars, now or over all time, hold this to be? Roy Brumback 06:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
