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[edit] From 7g7em7ini
Having decided that I no longer wish to be a user, I have removed my contributions. Please respect my wishes. Kind regards. 7g7em7ini 19.9.06
[edit] Yamla
Thank you for your kind comments in relation to the Thora Birch image I added. I have provided all the information I have in my possession. With all due respect, I have checked Wikipedia guidelines thoroughly and the image is to the very best of my knowledge fully compliant. I hear what you say. However, if every image had to have the kind of information you require, the entire encyclopedia would be devoid of any images whatsoever. I have checked hundreds of them and absolutely none of them meet those standards, standards which go way above what is required by Wikipedia. I uploaded the image utilising strict Wikipedia guidelines and fair use policy - check it. As it meets their criteria, there's is absolutely no reason why it should be removed. Thank you again for your comments. Kind regards, 7g7em7ini
Update: Have replaced image with another and provided source info. Regards, 7g7em7ini
- Yamla, after I removed all my contributions after growing somewhat exasperated by your actions in relation to the image, I note that you have put them all back. I am happy for you to do that. However, why is it that the content I added was okay but not the image when every effort has made to ensure as far as reasonably possible that it is copyright free use? The image in question came from two sources both of which have made every effort to ensure that it is free use to the very best of their knowledge. You will note that the image has now been removed and the one remaining image transferred to the top. The remaining image is not a very good one and a very poor substitute for the one its taken the place of. In forcing the removal of the deleted image, I rather think that you have reduced the overall quality of the entire entry which is a shame. I hope that someone is able to ultimately come up with another better copyright free use image sometime and move the current one back to its rightful place in the Ghost World section. 7g7em7ini (7.9.06)
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- I appreciate your contributions, 7g7em7ini. I am sorry that we have been unable to get the images sorted out. The problem with the image is that it is our responsibility to ensure it is being used under fair-use justifications and we simply cannot take the word of the sites that you listed. This is because Wikipedia holds itself to higher standards of copyright adherence than most fansites do. We must, for example, identify the copyright holder of a copyrighted image, something many sites simply ignore. I agree that the remaining image is not very good and furthermore, it seems to be used now solely to depict Thora Birch, in violation of fair use. It's all a big mess. Anyway, I sincerely hope that you don't mind us keeping your text contributions which are of very high quality and which have no possibility of being a copyright infringement. If you'd like more information, please feel free to ask. --Yamla 22:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Yamla. Noted. Many thanks. 7g7em7ini
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[edit] Thora Birch's mother was a porn star
When adding information like this, it is helpful to add a citation. Dystopos 14:21, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
- Just cite wikipedia itself: Carol Connors (actress). -- Mikeblas 16:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. A different source shouldn't be hard to come by. --Dystopos 17:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Her father was also a porn star. Jack Birch http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0083262/
[edit] Removed Controversy
Thora Birch does not get topless in American Beauty. Mena Suvari does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackhamm (talk • contribs). 1:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? She most certainly does. It's a window scene. --Yamla 02:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- I stand corrected. I had to watch the movie once again. Thats what I get for asking the other four people in the office with me :-) --Jackhamm 20 March 2006
[edit] Added BAFTA & Golden Globes nominations
I added her BAFTA nomination for "American Beauty" and her Golden Globe nomination for "Ghost World". If anyone has a problem with this, please let me know.
[edit] NPOV?
This article reads less like a straight actor bio, and more like a gushing review from an obsessive fan. Any ideas on improvement? Alvis 08:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Dear Alvis, If fans did not bother to write the articles, Wikipedia would consist of nothing but nothing or stub articles in the biography section. Anyway, if Wikipedia looked like the Encyclopedia Britannica it would be a total bore. You ever read an old fashion encyclpedia?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:|]] ([[User talk:|talk]] • contribs) 06:54, 6 January 2007.
- How many nine year olds have a "A period of consolidation"? Static Universe talk|edits 23:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Literary criticism excised
I removed this literary criticism, which is well-written, but ought to appear in a forum for personal opinion, not an encyclopedia:
- "However, in obsessing about Seymour, Enid is avoiding the challenge of building a life of her own in the 'real world' she is now having to confront post graduation.
- Essentially, the film is about the complexities of becoming an adult in the modern world. When watching the film, the quality of Birch's performance is such that one can empathise with, and even sympathise with, Enid's perspective on life, despite her cynical attitude, the adverse affect it has on all around her, and her fanatical desire to be 'cool' (so compulsive, that even Rebecca fails to grasp the original punk look she experiments with at one point). The fact that the viewer is not expected to fully identify and sympathise with Enid is brought out by the contrasting fortunes of Rebecca who, in the course of the film, sells out to the conservative values that both she and Enid were rebelling against at its outset. Enid, on the other hand, finishes the film in search of some kind of meaning to her existence.
- The point of the film is that it's not which choices we make in life that are important, but whether the choices we do make are ones that leave us fulfilled and content. Birch's performance brings out what a difficult process and prospect this is for Enid, as Enid witnesses her best friend Rebecca betray the values she once held dear in an attempt to conform to the more conventional values of society in the pursuit of 'success' (i.e. in its capitalistic form), and realises that Seymour, a man who has remained true to his principles, was doomed to lead an equally empty life. It was Thora's success in bringing out these complex underlying strands to the film in her critically acclaimed performance which were pivotal to the film's success."
To the author(s): please understand that Wikipedia cannot present personal interpretations of films, which are highly subjective, in the same manner as it presents objective information. Omphaloscope talk 07:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
