Talk:Timeline of trends in music (2000-present)
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[edit] Lounge
What I miss completely in the timeline of trends in music: Lounge. Emerged out of the dance/new age corner. To mine opinion is has Cafe del Mar (a series from Spain) been here one of the frontleaders in this style. If 'm wrong please correct me.
[edit] Americentrism
This article seems very biased towards the U.S. This even results in inaccuracies, such as the listing of musicians like Simple Plan and Avril under "Music of the U.S." sections
[edit] Little less opinion, please.
Has anyone else noticed that starting in the mid-80s the information on the timeline isn't as objective? For instance, look at the Mariah Carey articles. While Mariah Carey is a very popular and important artist who deserves to be on the list, the comments about her are a little flattering. This holds true for other bullets as well. I used the articles about music from the 1900s to the 1960s for a term paper and the information was perfect. Purely out of interest I decided to look at what else was written in the next 3 1/2 decades and was severely dissapointed, could future editors please be a little more objective?
Soccr Luvr 20:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "Music downloads hurt CD sales"?
Surely this is a matter of much debate and opinion? Music downloading should be mentioned, though I don't believe we can make such a statement, especially without a source. Mdwh 02:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed the entire entry:
- "Music downloads hurt CD sales, portable devices such as the iPod begin to replace CDs and cassettes."
It also seems debatable whether portable devices (and content) will actually and thus have begun to replace permanent objects such as CDs. Hyacinth 10:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
The following suggests
- Richard Menta Research: File Traders Buy Records July 22, 2002 MP3 Newswire
and the following asserts
- Silverthorne, Sean. Music Downloads: Pirates- or Customers?. Harvard Business School Working Knowledge, 2004.
that music downloads do not hurt but help. Hyacinth 12:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Somebody when somebody refered to fall oit boy, they put "unfortionaltly continuing the emo trend" 70.23.116.139 17:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)james
[edit] Dominate/Dominant
I edited this claim under the 2006 section.
- Reggaeton becomes the domnimate genre in the United States and many other Latin American countries.
First off, "dominate" (when spelled correctly) is a verb. "Dominant" is a adjective. It should either read "becomes the dominant genre" or "the genre dominates the charts" or some such thing.
Which brings me to my second point. Dominant genre in the United States. Really? I'm not claiming to be a music industry executive or anything, but I've never even heard of this style. To state that it has out-ranked every other style in popularity seems a bit hard to believe. I'll give the contributor the benefit of the doubt and say that it has gained popularity in the U.S. and many other...
[edit] What?
"There is a resemblance to 1998 music for most of the music of 2006."
No one knows what that means. Please give some sort of example. --Macarion 18:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
And this: "A huge resemblance to the late '70s along with late '90s in music is spotted in most modern 2006 music." That means nothing. Please tell me what this is supposed to mean. --Macarion 22:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Another one: "Metal Music artist have massive come back." Apart from being bad grammar, this statement is fairly meaningless. Unless it can be qualified in some way, it should be deleted. Phil500 06:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
This article needs ALOT of work, too many nonsensical, uninformed, and opinionated statements are made. "Blunt is also the first non-urban or American idol-based music artist to reach Number 1 since Nickelback in 2001." What?
I agree that the article needs a lot of work, but I can provide a bit more of an explanation for the above statement, although I didn't add it. For several years, the Hot 100 chart in the US has been dominated by "urban" music (and I use the term loosely to include R&B, hip-hop, rap and every sub-genre in between). This dominance has been so strong that since Nickelback's hit "How You Remind Me" in 2001, almost every number 1 hit has had an "urban" flavour (excluding a few non-urban number 1's by "American Idol" winners). When "You're Beautiful" reached number 1, this was seen to be a significant shift away from the dominance of urban music. Some people have suggested that Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" should be more rightly recognised as the hit that broke this trend, but I believe that Fred Bronson's column "Chart Beat" recognised Blunt as the true trend-breaker. Phil500 09:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Another issue with domination
This is another recently added statement: "Asian sensations The Teriyaki Boyz explode onto the scene with the help of Pharrell and dominate the charts all over the world." Obviously these guys cannot be too sensational if they haven't got an article on Wikipedia yet :P Seriously though, I think we should try to hold back from making such grand statements about certain artists / genres achieving musical domination unless there are really exceptional circumstances that can be documented by evidence of international success. Phil500 08:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I deleted the whole article.
Not one single thing was sourced. If you can source your text, then put it in. Untill then this ALL gets deleted. Zabrak 20:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Music of Australia
Great to see some Australian music trends represented on this page. I have made a few edits to this information, and removed some information that was not particularly notable. I have also left a message on the talk page of the user who added these sections. Let's keep up the Aussie representation on this page!--Phil500 04:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I'm not sure
I don't think that grunge is "extinct." I have seen quite a surge in listeners actuly. Nirvana and Soundgarden are as popular as ever and Pearl Jam still Tours. AdNimitz
[edit] "The Top Albums from the 2000s"
What does this actually mean? It can't be in terms of critical acclaim as a Britney album is number one, and it can't be due to sales as albums by Wilco and Sufjan are in there. Anyone care to explain it to me? Powelldinho 11:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- The Britney Spears addition is vandalism, which has actually occurred a couple of times - the correct Number 1 should be "Is This It?" by The Strokes. Although I didn't add it, the list originally came from acclaimed music, a website which ranks albums & songs based on critical reviews from a variety of sources. It is not sales-based.--Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 08:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
That Bit At The Bottom is Bullshit
[edit] How is it possible to write an accurate, NPOV timeline of trends in music over time
...that fully represents objective fact rather than mere opinion?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 19:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
It's NOT possible. Let's delete this POS POV article! 216.199.161.66 20:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I concede that it is more difficult than usual. Instead of being critical, why not patrol this page more often to remove unsourced and irrelevant information, or even better still, provide proper sources and better factual information? We're not interested in people spouting flowery language to describe certain artists as the "best of the decade" simply on the basis of personal preference. However, a dodgy entry like this could quite easily be made relevant by removing the superlative language, and finding a citation (eg. chart data, reviews from respected music publications, newspaper/magazine articles etc) which demonstrates that the named artist is newsworthy. So for example, a statement such as "Unfinished Sympathy is the best song of the decade" is rather questionable. However, the statement is made instantly more credible by the addition of a single reference, eg "Critics consider Unfinished Sympathy to be one of the best songs of the decade," followed by a footnote linking to a Rolling Stone article, or something similar. That way the statement is not POV. The philosophy behind this page is a good one; we just have to be consistent in finding sources and removing unsubstantiated opinion.--Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 07:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Music of 2006 - Regina Spektor
Under this section (bottom), it states that Begin To Hope was Regina Spektor's 2nd album. The sentence in which it is written is gramatically incorrect. Mainly, it is uncited, and in fact Begin To Hope was Regina Spektor's 3rd album. Her first was "Eleven Eleven", then "Soviet Kitsch" and third was "Begin To Hope" of 2006. I don't feel obliged to edit this, except someone should change it. It's true - look it up anywhere.
- Our Begin to Hope article states it as her fourth, and our Regina Spektor implies it is the fifth, but one of them was a live album. You missed her album Songs. I will correct it to fourth, going on our primary article on the subject. J Milburn 13:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- It was her second studio album on Sire Records. I have corrected the line. J Milburn 13:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
