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Contents 1 Minneapolis? 2 Step Right Up 3 Gigography 4 Shrek 2 addition 5 Database error? 6 Love affair with Rickie Lee Jones? 7 Over-linked 8 Removed copyedit tag 9 This image is most likely not legal 10 Songs listed in Filmography 11 List of Songs I heard of 12 Photo caption awkward 13 POV check 14 "Franks" or "Frank's" 15 Captain Beefhart 16 Vandalism - some time ago now 17 Quote 18 We're A Happy Family 19 Movie Star too 20 Tom Waits Birthplace 21 Talk page cleanup 22 Opening paragraphs 23 Hoist That Rag 24 Article length 25 Purina 26 Muppet Inspiration 27 Scarlett Johansson Sings Tom Waits 28 Industrial 29 Orphans - major release or collection? 30 Major releases appearing in wrong place 31 Artist template 32 Photo? 33 Religion/race 34 Day After Tomorrow 35 Waits track based on an old song 36 Record lables in lawsuit section 37 Trivia Item 38 Down by Law

[edit] Minneapolis?

Does anyone know anything about the period of time Tom Waits was in Minneapolis? Benandorsqueaks 04:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Most of what I've been able to find has been re: "9th and Hennepin" and "Christmas Card from a Hooker in Minneapolis," both for obvious reasons. Are you under the impression that he lived in MN for a period of time?--CoolGuyRH 08:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Step Right Up

Added Step Right Up: The Songs of Tom Waits from June 2004 according to : http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000294TEC/qid=1091384016/sr=1-33/ref=sr_1_2_33/026-1057848-7550051

• I have removed this as Step Right Up was released in 1995 and was already in the Tribute album list. It would appear that the date in that URL does not represent the original release date of this album. See the Amazon U.S. site where the release date is accurately represented as 7 November 1995. --Daqron 00:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gigography

I added a gigography section, for information about Waits' tours. Hope this is within what can be accepted for an artist's wikipedia article. I plan to fill in venue information and setlists for the Real Gone Tour as it is progressing. If anyone wants to help out with the older tours, there's a lot of information at [1] and [2], at least. Mortene 08:16, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Shrek 2 addition

I'm not sure how to format this... Tom Waits had a cameo in Shrek 2 (as the Pirate at the Piano). I think it would be nice to add this.

I just checked and it's already included down with all the movies he has done.

Tom Waits also appeared in the movie "Shorts", I think it was called, directed by Robert Altman. He was in a memorable scene with Lily Tomlin. Too bad this bio doesn't include some examples of his writing, some of my favorites (from Looking for the Heart of Saturday Night) are: "He spends the facts of his life like small change on strangers. And paws his inside peacoat pocket for a welcome 25 cents, eggs over easy and a package of Kents as he dreams of a waitress with Maxwell House eyes, marmalade thighs and scrambled yellow hair, who wears a rhine-studded monogram that says "Irene" as she wipes a whisp of dishwater blonde from her eyes...

[edit] Database error?

I'm getting this error when I try to view the article page: "A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "Parser::replaceLinkHolders". MySQL returned error "1053: Server shutdown in progress (10.0.0.24)"." Anyone know what's going on? 24.222.61.38 19:14, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I could view the article just fine when I now tried. From (limited) experience as an ordinary user on Wikipedia, it seems database errors tend to crop up when the load is high. Mortene 19:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Love affair with Rickie Lee Jones?

I have never heard of this relationship. Can anyone varify it? I find it a bit suspect.

It's true. Appeared in several biographies of Waits I've read. I can dig one up for some extra info if anyone thinks it's neccesary.

She's the chick on the hood with him on the back of Blue Valentine. They went through de-tox together in San Francisco in the 80's I believe.

[edit] Over-linked

This article is *way* over-linked. The superfluous links just make it harder to read, and add nothing of value. It is not necessary to hyperlink "trilogy", "country", "jazz", "Cult Following", "radio", "supporting actor", "19xx", "soundtrack", etc.

• I agree, and have removed many of them (dates and places in particular). Subjects which are directly music-related I have kept, as these seem relevant to an article about a musician. Squiddy 17:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

music played briefly in fight club when they enter lou's tavern. "Goin' out west"

There also the matter of the external links. Fan blogs aren't exactly encyclopedic material and the same goes for the Live Journal link. As for the link to an article stating that Tom waits hasn't had fun in forty years well...

These three would do:

• Official Site
• Tom Waits @ the SoundtrackINFO project
• Tom Waits Supplement - a compendium of information about Tom Waits and his works

And this one has tabs, which the others don't:

• Tom Waits Fan.com - a Tom Waits informational site. Also houses active forums.

BobbyJTHais 19:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Well since there are no objections...BobbyJTHais 19:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed copyedit tag

I've tidied up the article a bit, but I don't think it really needed the 'copyedit' tag even before I did any work on it, so I've removed the tag. It was a bit over-wikified, so I've removed a lot of links (dogs?! sailors?!) --Squiddy 17:08, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This image is most likely not legal

Image:TomWaitsInConcert2004.jpg - as far as I know, no official videos of his Real Gone tour have been released. This also looks more like bootleg quality rather than an official release. Why not use a screencap from a legally released video by him rather than an illegal recording of one of his shows? --Michiel Sikma 23:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Because he supports bootlegging of his live shows.--pogonrudie

[edit] Songs listed in Filmography

I'm not sure I agree with the listing of individual songs under the Filmography section. It seems more appropriate to list songs like "Soldier's Things" from 'Jarhead' and the two tracks from 'Dead Man Walking' under Contributions instead. The current method also creates issues with duplicate entries in Discography and Filmography ('One From the Heart' and 'Night on Earth'). I can't find another actor/songwriter whose bio is handled in this way. Wondering what others think about the best way to handle this. --Daqron 00:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I could swear that I saw an episode of Good Times way back in the day where Waits cameoed, playing The Piano Has Been Drinking. I can't find a reference to this episode. Perhaps it was a different show? Also, I recall seeing a video on The Cutting Edge on MTV circa 1986-7 of Waits playing piano and singing. All I remember was that it was dimly-lit, and filmed in black-and-white. Can anyone shed any light on these hazy memories of mine? -- madhatte

[edit] List of Songs I heard of

Can we get a list of some songs I might have heard of? I don't remember mr gravelly voice dude ever singing anything before.--Capsela 21:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Many people have heard these songs mentioned by the aticle: songs such as "The Piano Has Been Drinking" and "Bad Liver and a Broken Heart" cemented Waits's hard-living reputation Brainhell 03:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo caption awkward

The text under the photo makes it seem like he said the quote in 1949.

[edit] POV check

I've added the above tag due to the non-neutral tone of the article (especially the introduction). JoachimK 16:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems alright to me. Can you say more about what you think is POV about it? -GTBacchus^(talk) 16:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Some biased phrases stood out to me when I read the intro, e.g "immediately recognizable", "Waits's songs are known", "His songs are best known to the general public", "they have occasionally achieved". Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic. JoachimK 01:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

As a long time reader of Wikipedia, but only a recent contributor, my impression of those phrases is that they're rather innocuous. Some of them might be reworded better, but I don't think they greatly compromise the article. "Best known to the general public" is the only one that seems "iffy," but that's just my opinion. Mohr Stoutbeard 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to agree that yes, you are being overly pedantic. Or something :-). In all but the "immediately recognizable" case, they are portions of very factual statements, implying no biased point of view. "Wait's songs are known" for whatever they're known for, just as everything in wikipedia is known for something. "His songs are best known to the general public" as covers, not best known as in he's the best. If "they have occasionally achieved" (commercial success, or whatever) is POV, then wikipedia is in serious trouble. I do think the "immediately recognizable" was a poor choice of words, I've changed it. Barring further concerns, I think the POV tag should be removed. - Crenner 08:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The POV tag is not needed, I think. The wording can seem a bit opinionated, but it is as accurate as can be when discussing such abstract issues. It can't really be argued that his voice is not extremely recognizable and that many know only the covers of his work. The only way around this would be to cut all the stuff out, but that would just handicap the article and I doubt rewording would provide a substantial improvement. --PredatorOC

I took the liberty of removing the POV check template, since there seems to be a concensus that it is not needed and the article was reworded a bit to conform to NPOV. --PredatorOC

[edit] "Franks" or "Frank's"

I think the title of the album is "Franks Wild Years" and NOT "Frank's Wild Years". No apostrophe! Check in this webpage: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jvp1z87ajyv6

or directly in the album's cover: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001FSR/102-2536128-2639310?v=glance&n=5174 (which is also shown in the wikipedia page).

If I'm right, then you should also change the name of/link to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank%27s_Wild_Years

Notice, however, that there is a song called "Frank's Wild Years" (with apostrophe) in the album Swordfishtrombones.

I would tend to agree that the title of the album is "Franks Wild Years," sans apostrophe, because that is how it is displayed on the cover and the spine. By the same reasoning, the song on the album should be listed as "Franks Theme," as that is how it is listed on the tracklisting. (However, I can't attest to whether the song on "Swordfishtrombones" has an apostrophe in the listing or not, as I don't have that album on hand.) Mohr Stoutbeard 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed. I've moved the article and changed the references that I've found so far. --Michiel Sikma 10:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Captain Beefhart

It seems a strange assertion that Tom Waits was introduced to the music of Captain Beefhart by K. Brennan in the early eighties. Herb Cohen had been his manager since 1969 and he also managed Beefhart and Zappa. Can someone shed some light on this?

[edit] Vandalism - some time ago now

I tested the Wikipedia correction process while reporting for this article. After logging on, without giving an e-mail address, I edited the entry dedicated to musician Tom Waits. In a section on the artist in the 1990s, I wrote that Waits had played a concert with Elvis Costello, Elvis Presley, and Mr. Ed (the talking horse). Within 24 hours, the Presley and Mr. Ed references were removed, but the Elvis Costello citation -- also false, but not as glaringly so -- remained." [3]

Please don't "test" the correction process. --Michiel Sikma 10:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

It's probably because Tom Waits did actually play a concert with Elvis Costello in the '90's, the Roy Orbison tribute- A Black & White Night. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cast-crew/B0000203YR/ref=imdbdppd_castcrew_1/104-5361500-7045565?ie=UTF8

[edit] Quote

I added the artist box of Tom Waits at the top of this article and gave it a quote from Blood Money. But now I'm thinking that there might be more appropriate quotes by him that could be put there. A good candidate might be "Never let the weeds get higher than the garden, always keep a sapphire in your mind." (or replace sapphire with diamond to incorporate the second sentence as well, which is a more popular paraphrase of this quote). Do you have suggestions? --Michiel Sikma 10:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I would like to see a quote from him in an interview, not necessarily a song lyric. Since Blood Money was written for a play, the quote is essentially a reflection of that character's point of view, not necessarily that of Tom Waits.Zevaluz 15:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Allow me to suggest his famous line from his appearance on Fernwood Tonight; "I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." 66.158.212.68 11:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont think that "I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." should be a quote, as this is 1) indicative of early tom not the grand-tom. 2) It is not originally his. 3)Seems a bit silly. My suggestion is none, how can one quote really sum tom up, also if one is placed there it will be of eternal debate much like peoples name and tag lines from Microsoft messenger. --Spud85 14:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. That's not something originally from him. By having it there, wikipedia attributing to him when it's not his.

[edit] We're A Happy Family

What about his contributions to "We're A Happy Family: A Tribute To The Ramones"? He covered "The Return of Jackie & Judy."

[edit] Movie Star too

Tom Waits was also in the movies 12 Monkeys & Bram Stoker's Dracula. If I am not mistaken. He was also the mad scientist in Mystery Men.

Tom Waits did not appear in the film 12 Monkeys---his song "Earth Died Screaming" was used in the film, though. And, sign your comments on the talk page.--Charles 20:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Waits Birthplace

According to Tom Waits HIMSELF (David Letterman Dec 1983) He WAS born in Valparaiso Indiana. I would think Tom knows better than you where he was born. Maybe YOU should get your facts straight. You know just because its listed in a biography somewhere, doesn't make it so. GOOD DAY.Ed 1961 21:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)ed1961

Tom Waits told a story that he was born in the backseat of a taxi in Valparaiso, Indiana. Yes, he sure did. But, it was just that, a story. He tells a lot of crazy stories, many of which are not true. I used to live in Valparaiso, lived in that area most of my life, and I can tell you that there was no taxi service in that area until just a few years ago. And, if Tom Waits had been born there, I would have known about it long before now. He was born in Pomona, California. If you'd like, I suppose we can search for a copy of his birth certificate. Will that satisfy you?! --Charles 04:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, do not delete other people's posts on the discussion page---that is called vandalism.--Charles 04:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 ??? I assume "read" is a typo in the above comment ... - DavidWBrooks 10:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, definitely a typo. I think I meant to type "redo" other people's posts... it was late at night, I was tired, and I was typing too fast because I was angry. My point was that Ed 1961 had deleted my comment to Dagonet about changing Tom Waits' birthplace, which Ed had already done, yet again. At some point, this nonsense has to stop. Tom Waits was born in Pomona, California. If we cannot get a basic piece of information like place and date of birth right, then there is no point in this article even existing.--Charles 17:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I retract the typo comment. Looking at the history of the talk page, I see that user 71.210.90.215 changed my response to Ed 1961. If you look at the history page, you can see it for yourself. This nonsense is out of control. It is time for an administrator to get involved. --Charles 17:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I've restored Theoldanarchist's comments to their original state, and I'm keeping an eye on 71.210.90.215. Please feel free to let me know if any administrator assistance is required. For now it seems ok; let's just all be dilligent about reverting vandalism. -GTBacchus^(talk) 18:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page cleanup

As you may have noticed, I cleaned up the talk page a little. I added titles to a couple of stray comments at the top, deleted two unsigned comments about an edit made a long time ago, and made a few minor changes to the layout. I think it makes the page easier to read. Any comments? --Charles 04:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

In general, Talk page changes are frowned on, since they're supposed to be kept as-is for a historical record, rather than tidied up like an article. Except for deleted the unsigned comments, your changes were fine, IMHO, but you should probably return those two, even if they seem pointless. You never know; they might prevent somebody from repeating an argument in a year. - DavidWBrooks 11:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I apologize, David, I did not realize that you had responded to this comment of mine. If I had, I would have replied much more quickly. I honestly do not know how to undo the changes I made to the talk page, and I apologize if the changes I made (done at a time when I was much less familiar with wiki-etiquette) were inappropriate or thoughtless. Can you point me to the relevant page that explains policy on talkpages? Thanks for your time. --Charles 06:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm 3 months late coming in on this particular conversation, but I wanted to mention that when a Talk page gets too long, but you want to keep conversations intact for "historical" purposes, archiving is a good idea. - Ugliness Man 10:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opening paragraphs

I think the opening paragraphs (I believe there are three of them before the table of contents) are too long, and full of a lot of information that can be dealt with in the main body of the article. Since there is already a filmography section, it is redundant to list so many films in one of the early paragraphs. A mention that he is also an actor is appropriate, and a couple of the important films in which he has appeared. Likewise, perhaps there should be a section devoted to mentioning the great number of people and bands who have covered Tom's songs, but listing 8 or 10 of them right at the outset seems a little much to me. Any thoughts? --Charles 06:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoist That Rag

In the section that discusses Real Gone, I have removed two unsourced edits having to do with the song "Hoist That Rag" and its alleged anti-war theme. If some reference can be found for this (which seems unlikely, since Waits himself denies it) it can be returned. In the meantime, it is just opinion. ---Charles 04:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean, Waits denies it? He stated in Magnet magazine in 2004 that both Hoist That Rag and Sins of my Father are both political. [4] Please cite your source that says he denies it. —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 06:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this response. I have seen this in print somewhere, but cannot find it anywhere now. I think the songs are elliptical, not explicit. Though, I appreciate the fact that you have a source, and I will defer to it. Thanks. ---Charles 04:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article length

It's a bit long, and you get an automatic warning about this when you make an edit. I think we could usefully separate out some of the content into minor articles, and just keep a more concise summary in the main article. For example, the list of film contributions. Thoughts, anybody? --VinceBowdren 17:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, and think you are on the right track. ---Charles 04:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Purina

The "lawsuits" section mentions the various companies that Waits succesfully sued over advertising issues, but I find it interesting that there's no mention anywhere of the ad that he did for Purina back in 1981. [5] [6] (I know there's a few people on the comments page of the YouTube link insisting that it's not Waits, but then again YouTube is inhabited by people who will swear on their lives that Enya sang the lead vocals in the eponymous song by Adiemus... the first link provides more reliable information, the YouTube link is more for curiosity's sake)

He didn't write the text (that credit goes to William Lower), but it was indeed his voice. I'm not saying that this makes him a hypocrite, like some critics might, because he was a different person in 1981 (and he wasn't very well-off financially, and he was recently married which furthered his financial needs), but it's not very balanced for the article to make it seems like he's totally 100% anti-advertising and has never done an ad of his own accord.

Unfortunately, I'm not that good at adding stuff like this to these long articles, and it wouldn't seem appropriate to include it under the "lawsuits" heading, so I'll leave it in the hands of more capable editors. - Ugliness Man 10:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muppet Inspiration

It says that that muppet was inspired by Tom Waits yet the article on the muppet says he was created in 1962, that's a significant number of years before Tom Waits entered the public arena it seems to me 213.202.147.186

Hmmm, that does make it an awkward claim. I wouldn't be surprised if Waits and previous Waits-like artists had inspired Rowlf, but after a cursory search for sources turned up nothing but unsourced speculation, I'm tempted to say we should pull the claim until we get evidence. A quote from Jim Henson, say. Note that the Rowlf the Dog history shows that there used to be an unsourced 'inspired by Tom Waits' claim in there which was pulled for lack of evidence. --VinceBowdren 23:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted an anonymous users deletion of that reference. Now, per this discussion, it looks like I should revert myself. This makes sense, and the information should never have made it into the article without some kind of credible reference. However, in my own defense, any deletion of material without an edit summary, or some kind of explanation, is to my mind, questionable. ---Charles 02:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scarlett Johansson Sings Tom Waits

Why was this deleted from the 'Tribute Albums' section? --DavidHay 23:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

An encyclopaedia is not the place for rumours of tribute albums. When it is released, it can be listed here. --VinceBowdren 08:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Industrial

A previous edit describing Waits' style as 'industrial' was deleted as 'nonsense'. Not all industrial music sounds like NIN or Ministry; Waits' use of found instruments puts him pretty solidly in that category (towards the Einstürzende Neubauten end), and googling 'tom waits industrial' will pull up plenty of examples where his style's been described as industrial. --Calair 00:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphans - major release or collection?

A couple of times now, people have added Orphans to the major releases list. Although it is technically a collection (and is already listed under collections), I am coming round to the opinion that it should be counted as a major release - it has been promoted quite heavily, it has its own tour, and the tracks are previously unreleased. Any objections? --VinceBowdren 16:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it should remain as a collection. Collections are often promted heavily when they're "outtakes" or "rarities" collections of artists that have been around for a long time ("best of" collections not promoted so much usually). And while it is unusual for a tour to be built around a collection, that doesn't change the nature of the release itself. Really, I would guess that the people who keep adding it to the "normal" releases, more often than not, are simply trying to be helpful, not realizing it's already listed. That's the drawback to having something that anyone can edit, some people who try to make a positive contribution aren't always observant enough to not be redundant. - Ugliness Man 17:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a fair amount of new material on it that hasn't been released before. I'd say it qualifies as a new album. --Doctor Sunshine 17:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

My preference would be to leave it in the collections list. It occurs to me that we could change the section title from 'Major releases' to 'Albums', just to make it clearer. --VinceBowdren 19:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

On the album's official website[7] it states that more than half of the songs, 30 out of 56, are new and Waits and his wife have been working on it for the past three years. In my mind a collection implies something the label compiled rather than something the artist(s) put together. It belongs in major releases. --Doctor Sunshine 20:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It most definitely belongs in major releases. The albums contain new material, which is one thing, and it is also being marketed as a major release. Compilations hardly do get marketed; it seems awkward, for example, to call Used Songs Tom Waits' "latest and greatest" (at the time it came out). It really boils down to whether we can legitimately say, as a marketeer, that this new album is a "latest and greatest". This isn't the case for Used Songs, which is just a collection of things we already had, but I certainly believe that it is the case for Orphans. It's been widely reported on in various (good-quality and reliable) publications here in the Netherlands. —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 11:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major releases appearing in wrong place

For some reason the list of major releases is appearing at the very bottom of the page, beneath the external links. I don't know how to fix it, but hopefully someone else can. Shambolic Entity 04:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Artist template

I suggest removal of the template, or at least some parts of it. Perhaps leave just the photo in its place. For example, as agreed above, the quote is a bit pointless, and describing Waits as Jazz/Blues conveys no useful information at all. Shambolic Entity 05:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo?

Does anyone know when, and why, the photograph was deleted? ---Charles 05:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but usually such deletions occur before there was no copyright information on the photo's page. Those cases are deleted without discussion, which can be annoying. - DavidWBrooks 22:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's two points I was referred to recently, Wikipedia:Fair_use#Policy and Wikipedia:Fair_use#Counterexamples. What's needed is permission from the copyright holder, ANTI-, I suppose, or a fan photo which is released into the Public domain or under the GNU license. Doctor Sunshine 23:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion/race

Is the man Jewish, someone tolde me he was, but I would like a source... -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.76.185.71 (talk • contribs).

I've never heard or read anything about him being Jewish. Does it really make any difference? ---Charles 21:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Often the family background is relevant, in terms of what musical upbringing a person has had (for example the middle eastern influences you can hear in Dick Dale's music. But no, I don't think Waits is Jewish. --VinceBowdren 09:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

So Tom Waits is not Jewish?

[edit] Day After Tomorrow

It's widely been discussed - and the reference appears on this page - that the song "Day After Tomorrow" could as easily refer to the Iraq war as to the American Civil War: 'The song doesn't mention the Iraq war, and, as Tom Moon writes, "it could be the voice of a Civil War soldier singing a lonesome late-night dirge."'

Well and good, and the quote is certainly out there, but this reading may be argued against by the line, "My plane will touch down on the day after tomorrow."

True, the song isn't as out-and-out political as "The Road to Peace", but I don't believe it refers to the Civil War.

204.191.165.69 03:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, some TW quotes on the song here. --Calair 04:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waits track based on an old song

I saw the opening credits of an old film on tv a few weeks back, and the music that played sounded exactly like a Tom Waits track (which may have been "Lost In The Harbour" or another slowish track from the Alice era). The track had a French female vocal, and the film was pretty old - 50s or 60s. Can anyone shed any further light on this? Apologies for the vagueness of my query, I wish I'd taken note of the film or could remember the track more clearly... Gram 16:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Record lables in lawsuit section

A list of the record lables that have published Waits is, rather irrelevantly it seems, squeezed in between two related paragraphs in the lawsuits section. I would suggest whoever put it there find a more appropriate place. O0pyromancer0o 15:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Item

Here's an amusing tidbit that may be a possible item for the trivia section: in "Nighthawks at the Diner" everytime Tom Waits scats, he mumbles "Chuck E. Weiss" in some form or another. Maybe someone would like to edit that in, or explain that relationship? -bigP 63.70.91.229 15:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Another interesting trivia fact - he was on The Dinah Shore Show once. Played the piano, sang, then joined her on the couch. She asked him a couple of questions but couldn't understand his replies. (it was in his 'grumbling, hiding under the fedora phase.' they went to commercial and when they came back he was gone. It's still one of my favorite tv segments ever. Elzash 07:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC) Betsy

[edit] Down by Law

I have just watched the dvd Down by Law with Tom Waits, Robert Begnini and I can't find any reference to this movie on this page. I'd be very interested to know what year it was made. 218.101.86.47 10:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

First of all, it is mentioned in the article, it's the seventh item in the filmography section. Second, this is Wikipedia, a very searchable all-around database. If you type "Down by Law" in the search field near the top of this page on the left, and click "Go", you'll be taken to a page which contains links to 3 articles that the phrase "Down by Law" refers to. The second one is the movie you're talking about, and the article tells you what year it was made. Of course, I could just tell you that it was made in 1986, but then you wouldn't learn anything that way, would you? - Ugliness Man 10:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)