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This article is horrible it should be deleted

Please sign your comments. Actually, this article is a word-for-word copy of a Bravo press release, as is the one for Katie Lee Joel. Both should be rewritten. Lambertman 15:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I want to just start the whole page over again. It is too bad to really fix. Would anyone support this? --NRS11 18:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Since this show is patterned after Project Runway, you might use the article for that show as a template for redoing this article. Crunch 13:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers should NOT be a part of cast biographies. I passed by this page looking for a specific spelling of a name and found a rather unpleasant spoiler almost instantly just reading the very brief biography about Stephen. Eliminations should be in another section. -- Anonymous —Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. The preceding comment was added by 66.189.52.134.

Contents 1 this page needs work, for sure 2 rebroadcast 3 Season Two, Ep. 1 Controversy 4 Age of contestants 5 What happened to the 'Reviews' section? 6 Contestant external websites? 7 Otto's Place on the table. 8 The table 9 Mia's exit 10 Change Color 11 Cleanup!? 12 Table 13 Season 3 14 Urgh 15 Coming to Agreement 16 Unsubstantiated Rumors as Trivia? 17 Article assessment

[edit] this page needs work, for sure

btw, for those of you who are tiffani apologists, i have a feeling that miguel and leanne probably tore it up too.

fwiw, we didn't really see tiff drinking, but they focused in on harold and his bombay saphire a few times.

but most importantly, that all the semi-finalists/losers would choose to work with harold speaks volumes.

a chef leads, a chef is a manager.—Please sign your posts on talk pages. The preceding comment was added by Und1sk0 at 05:33, 25 May 2006.

[edit] rebroadcast

Is there any information on when the first season will be re-shown in the US? Needtoknowstuff 08:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season Two, Ep. 1 Controversy

I don't think this so-called Controversy regarding the taped interview is such a big deal and certainly not worth including in this summary. The blogger makes it seem as though the contestant certainly knew she was in the top group because she and two others voted these chefs among the best. However, it's possible she was thinking there were other criteria involved in determining why these four were being called together, so her statement that she didn't know why they were being called is legitimate. It's a contest and ultimately Colicchio and the other judges have the final say despite what the other chefs thought. I think it's a non-controversy. I also think adding links to imagined controversy on external sites gets in the way of this article. If no one has any objection, I'd like to remove this portion of the episode summary. Crunch 22:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually came onto the discussion page to post exactly what you have written above. To suggest this as controversy is quite ridiculous. I second your motion to remove this from the episode summary.71.194.154.128 12:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age of contestants

I just reverted a change of Harold's age. According to the Bravotv.com website he was 28 when filming, so that is the encyclopedic age, not his current age.. EnsRedShirt 14:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to the 'Reviews' section?

Is there a reason all the links to Top Chef websites and blogs were deleted?

The article has tons of links, Fan sites are not necessary and really don't need to be in there. I left the tv guide community and television without pity links as they are fairly established sites. Over all Wikipedia is not a fan blog guide to a particular TV show. EnsRedShirt 05:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contestant external websites?

Q. Why were the Season 2 contestant external websites deleted/reverted? I used the same format/criteria that were used for inclusion of Season 1 contestant websites. 70.95.133.31 06:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Don't look at me... Didn't do that, but in responce to this querry I did split the list off to their respective seasons pages.. EnsRedShirt 08:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Otto's Place on the table.

Shouldn't it say that he quit also, because he bowed out as well.

Tinkleheimer 04:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

That's what I thought.... 69.204.173.162 04:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed it, hopefully it looks good. Tinkleheimer 04:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The table

Can anyone think of a better way to do this, it just takes ALOT of work to look at this table and know what is going on. Brentoli 20:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mia's exit

The Season 2 table entry for the voluntary exit of Mia Gaines-Alt is unnecessarily vague and editorial. "Voluntarily quit (Likely to be eliminated anyway)" could refer to the author's opinion that a.) Mia was likely to be eliminated in this episode, or b.) Mia was likely to be eliminated in some future episode.

Choice b.) is obvious; Mia's elimination became more likely with each passing show. Choice a.) seems to fly in the face of Elia's poor performance as team leader, her decision to accept responsibility for the loss, and the judge's tendency to punish team leaders for poor team performances.

IMHO, "Voluntarily quit" is enough.

Roger 03:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't notice this before, but I agree with you on that one. Likely to be eliminated anyway is just speculation. Making Project Runway Season 3 as an example. Jeffrey Sebelia was in the bottom two of MANY MANY episodes, including the first episode and the last episode before the finales. But he went on to win Project Runway.

Tinkleheimer 03:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change Color

Is it possible that the color of Winning Both Quickfire and Elimination Challenges be changed to a different color. It is kind of dark and hard to see. Maybe to a Pink or Light Green. Tinkleheimer 04:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup!?

This page needs a major overhaul, with the removal of the season info, which has already been moved to their pages. Plus a rewrite to refocus the article on the series as a whole, not the seasons. EnsRedShirt 05:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think all 3 pages need overhauled. The Main, Season 1, and Season 2. I will see what I can do in the following days. Tinkleheimer 05:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I just started it by removing all info available on the season pages. We need season write ups in their place but I don't have the time tonight.. EnsRedShirt 06:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table

I fixed the table for season 2. Please leave it alone for the time being. Any changes that need to be done, please discuss it here. Tinkleheimer 04:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 3

There is a casting director on myspace who helped cast Top Chef previously saying that they are currently casting for Season 3. I don't have a link for it, but he is on Josie's Top Friends on Myspace. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tinkleheimer (talk • contribs) 18:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC).Tinkleheimer 18:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Urgh

Alright. An IP address keeps doing small edits that aren't exactly bad but they're not exactly good. The person moved the 'season two' from Padma's name down a space when it's fine on my screen and it should be next to the name (but then again, I have a 1200x800 pixel screen), keeps changing 'See Top Chef (Season #) for more information.' to 'Main article: Top Chef (Season #)' when it's not. The main article is this page, Top Chef. And... I'm getting sick of changing it back. Maybe I'm not doing the right edits. Plus, my comments on history are being ignored. Someone please give their input before I just say screw it.-Babylon pride 20:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Which IP is it? I will keep an eye out on it and help you. Tinkleheimer 01:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The person stopped but mostly 75.41.252.198. Well... starting with 75.41. Also, what happened to everything? Now this is almost a stub. And I don't like it, personally. Babylon pride 21:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ack, I didn't even notice this. I am thinking of reverting to how it was with the tables and such there. I need backup. Who is for/against it.Tinkleheimer 22:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Totally for it, since I just got so angry that I deleted the "Main Article: Season #" because it's just a repeat, as that's all that was there and it looked gaudy. I'm trying to save it some without going over my boundaries. And now season one and two have been changed from "Top Chef (Season #)" or whatever it used to be to "Top Chef, Season #" so the discussions there (if there were any) are on their own. I don't think that matters but the person did it without any consulting which ticks me off. I don't know. I just don't like people doing major things like that without asking other people's opinions who work on the article a lot, especially when most things are most of the time "Show Name (Season #)". I'm going to stop rambling now if that's fine with you. Babylon pride 01:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Look above I asked for input weeks ago about cleaning up the article and nothing happened. Any reverts back will be treated as vandalism as they don't belong here but on their respective season pages. EnsRedShirt 03:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

And that will start an editing war, which can get the page locked, and is childish. I don't really care but stating that is just so narrow-minded. Now you made it an almost-stub. Good job. Top Chef is a two season show. At least on this page, we can put characters, or a brief snippet of the seasons. We need something. It's so close to being a stub that it's amazing. (FYI? I wasn't editing this page "weeks ago" like I was now. I'm pretty sure I started about a week ago.) Babylon pride 21:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Also. If you get no input, maybe that means no one likes it. Just a little tip. Babylon pride 21:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coming to Agreement

There are users that disagree with how this article should be. We need to come to an agreement.

[1] - Minimal Version
[2] - Expanded Version]

Please state which version you would prefer and give a reason. After someone decides that it has been enough time, or a consensus is reached, the page will be changed accordingly.

Expanded Version - The Minimal Version is basically a stub. Expanded gives much more information and is excellent for an article. Tinkleheimer 22:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Minimal Version with season summaries. - Look the Top Chef article is for the series as a whole all season info should be on the season pages. Whats the point of having all the season pages if it is just duplicated here?? The Project Runway article is the way this article should look. It is far to cluttered otherwise. EnsRedShirt 23:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Minimal Version with a paragraph summary of who lost, in what order, and why. That means everyone. (And sorry. I haven't been able to get on lately. Moving and all gets hectic.) I think expanded gets a bit repetitive, yes, but so I'm not a hypocrite it was a huge shock for it all to go poof in one day. (I know you had a discussion but I was not there for it.) I just think everyone should be listed there, in the summary, so it doesn't go on forever eliminating the use for the season's pages and the chart should definitely stay. Babylon pride 17:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), Wikipedia:Notability#Merging, and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information are some relevant guidelines here. It is unlikely that the individual seasons of this show are independently notable, and a separate page that essentially contains blow-by-blow round summaries of each episode does not constitute an encyclopedia article. —Centrx→talk • 04:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. They... really are. If you want to go on that bit, you gotta say that to Project Runway too and soon Top Design if they haven't already started a new page for season one. It's to keep it from being cluttered. Babylon pride 17:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

As a casual reader of this particular page, I liked the expanded version better. In fact, I think Project Runway's page would be better served if it followed that model instead of the minimal model. I'm not going to change it, since this version seems to be the more popular version. R. Kevin Doyle 23:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsubstantiated Rumors as Trivia?

Hi, I'm rather new to editing articles in Wikipedia but am I correct in removing this rumor every time it shows up on this article?

Rumors persist that Sam and Frank met in a NY bar and conspired to get on Marcel's team and sabotage his meal for the final episode. The disappearing fish seems to lend some credence to this theory Wongy817 03:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

you are correct in removing it.. Please feel free to keep removing it as long as it pops up. EnsRedShirt 04:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article assessment

I have rated this article as stub class. It contains a good lead section but there is no further prose. There are no inline citations. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Television programs for a further guidance on expanding the article.--Opark 77 23:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)