Talk:Triangle Fraternity

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Maybe it is just me, but I think the page should have the chapter roll in chronological order alone (or at least along with the alphabetical order).

Just my 2 cents.

david lasoski lou02

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I agree. Let's switch it up.

And while we're at it, why don't we include the inactive chapters and colonies and note them. Plus we can denote each with their respective greek characters (i.e. Marquette is the Rho Chapter).

Andrew M. Dolder marq04

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Listing inactive chapters would be very helpful to readers who aren't current with Triangle news; I was puzzled to find that my Alma Mater's chapter didn't appear on the list, only to find (at the Triangle Web site) that that chapter had become inactive in the years since I graduated.

-- jsg Cornell 1981

[edit] Links to chapter websites

To avoid violating WP:3RR and misuse of reversion per WP:Revert#When to revert, I think we should discuss this content dispute here rather than in edit summaries.

The long list of chapter websites included under *External links* was quite validly removed citing WP:NOT & WP:EL. Considering however, that the chapter websites directly relate to the topic of the article in that a fraternity is made up of chapters rather than the national organization, and considering the first rule in WP:DR, I decided to improve the article by associating the website links to the individual chapters included in the chapter roll. Having each link directly next to each chapter's entry in the Chapter roll highlights its topicality & usefulness to the article as per WP:EL#What to link. It would, of course, be preferable per the guidelines to have Wikipedia articles for each chapter and internal links to them, however I should think one would run into problems with WP:NN. I truly don't believe that having the links in the article's body violates either WP:NOT or WP:EL since the policy is to keep external links to a minimum- not to an arbitrary number; but even if it did I would say that WP:IAR applies since they really do improve the article. However, opinions can vary. How do you feel the guidelines apply in this case? --Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 18:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC) (Elias Friedman conn88)

But it's the same thing, just in a different form. All you're doing is putting the links next to chapter names rather than in a long list at the end. It still violates WP:NOT#DIR. Is there perhaps a list of chapter links on the national website that can be directly linked to? At FBLA-PBL, we changed the dozens of links to state websites (and some local chapter ones as well) to 2 links contained on the national website. Is there anything like this for this organization? Metros232 19:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The consensus is forming that that chapter lists are ok, but external links are not. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of chapters and colonies of Tau Kappa Epsilon. Smaller fraternities like Triangle should have the list on the page and larger ones should have a separate list page. --rogerd (Triangle - Ky '75) 02:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colors

According to Rose (color)#Old Rose, old rose is hex "C08081", which is obviously different than the colors on the Triangle crest. However, I have put them there for reference. If any other Triangles here want to state an opinion as to what the true color should be, please add your $.02 here. --rogerd 18:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC) (Ky '75)

To my eye, the color in the crest seems to match up pretty well to Falu red.— Elias Friedman, Conn '88 --Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 15:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and there's the problem. Should the link in the infobox link to "old rose", or to "falu red"? I think the fraternity has, over the years migrated to a darker shade of red slowly, I don't remember that shade being used in the 70s, but it wasn't this, either. --rogerd 18:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps so, or it may have been the case that when the official colors were adopted, the pigment recipes hadn't yet been standardized. The Falu red article states that its recipe was finalized in the 1920s. National's history page shows that the official colors were adopted in February of 1913. This page over at National has some defined web colors it that's any help. It may very well be the case that a stricter definition of the official colors should be debated at the next National Convention.— Elias Friedman (Conn88) --Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 00:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to the codes on that page. It is still linked to the internal link for Old Rose, even though it is different than the official definition. --rogerd 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to complicate things a little bit more

, my dusty synapses just remembered from my pledge education that the actual color in the crest is Gules, that being the closest color to Old Rose available in Heraldric description. --Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 05:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I remembered something like that, too although I had forgotten the name of the substitute color (It's been 13 more years for me). The color displayed in Image:Heraldic Shield Gules.svg doesn't look much like either the Real "Old Rose", nor the color of the Triangle crest. Oh, well, I guess, unless you have a better idea, we could leave it as it currently is. FS&C --rogerd 17:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

I was thinking of creating a userbox for Wikipedians who are Triangles. I was going to use the crest, but I see that's licensed under a "fair use" rationale and therefore wouldn't be appropriate for user space. Does anyone know if the "Delta-T" is copyrighted/trademarked? My next option would be to use this Chrysanthemum —Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 04:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've gone ahead and created one without using any graphics. Tell me what you think. —Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 07:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

{{User:Elipongo/Userboxes/Triangle Fraternity}}

FS&C This user is a brother in Triangle Fraternity.